Why the surveillance memo matters

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Ah! Found it. Gowdy does mention some other information sources by name, but never details them. he does also say this:
REP. GOWDY: No. It was not the exclusive information relied upon by-- by the FISA court.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Would it have been authorized were it not for that dossier?

REP. GOWDY: No. It would not have been.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Ah! Found it. Gowdy does mention some other information sources by name, but never details them. he does also say this:

REP. GOWDY: No. It was not the exclusive information relied upon by-- by the FISA court.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Would it have been authorized were it not for that dossier?
REP. GOWDY: No. It would not have been.
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And you presumably have recognized that the existence of other materials is a simple matter of fact. And the notion of what was required is pure conjecture - did the judge say this?

I hope that you have also noted that Gowdy also stands behind Mueller and the Mueller investigation even as he has some issues with this FISA warrant. He even talks, in that context of Cambridge Analytics. That was on amazing interview
 
So all of a sudden Gowdy is your hero?

I think Gowdy was giving the impression
this was not a call to end the Mueller investigation. The surveillance memo is important and should not be ignored, but
he is not jumping to conclusions. The memo wasn’t published to end the investigation. It was to show the American people what has been happening.
 
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dvdjs said:
And you presumably have recognized that the existence of other materials is a simple matter of fact. And the notion of what was required is pure conjecture - did the judge say this?

I hope that you have also noted that Gowdy also stands behind Mueller and the Mueller investigation even as he has some issues with this FISA warrant. He even talks, in that context of Cambridge Analytics. That was on amazing interview
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Am I supposed to no longer think “special prosecutions” are NKVD-like and awful just because Trey Gowdy thinks Mueller is an honest person? For all I know, Andrei Vyshinsky might have believed firmly in what he was doing too. Almost certainly Dzerzhinsky did.

What I took away from the portion of the Gowdy interview to which you referred was that Gowdy was aware there were other sources, (which he did not detail either) but that without the dossier information the warrants would never have been issued. Now, as he says, only three people, himself included, actually saw the FISA court information itself. He came to the same conclusion as Congressman Ratcliffe, another of the three, that the dossier was the core information upon which the warrants were based, and without which the warrants would not have issued. There is no other knowledgeable source who has spoken about that, and certainly none denying it.
 
The Mueller investigation was initiated by Ron Rosenstein, supposedly because of Comey’s memo given to the media. Why that should have done so can be argued, but I don’t see why it would have or why Comey would have known it would.

The Mueller investigation is going to grind on as long as it grinds on and will cost whatever Muller wants it to cost, and will charge and convict tangential people just as all special prosecutions do. If it will result in Mueller charging Trump with a crime, that’s something none of us who are paying for it know. Whether it will result in impeachment of Trump is something only the 2018 congressional elections will tell us. If there is a Dem majority, he’ll be impeached, if not, there won’t be.

The Mueller investigation isn’t about wrongful acts of the FBI or DOJ. it’s really not even about the FISA spying warrants on Page and Trump himself. It’s about impeachment, and always was.

The FISA court issue is about abuse of power within the agencies of this government and what, if anything, ought to be done about it. Personally, I think congress should not have extended authorization of FISA warrants without a more thorough review than congress apparently did. Possibly the issue will be revisited.
 
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So all of a sudden Gowdy is your hero?
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Perhaps. It takes courage - or the freedom that comes from leaving the joint - to give the sober assessment that, in the context of the Mueller probe - this is a nothing burger and the effort to portray it as consequential was a joke on the gullible.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Am I supposed to no longer think “special prosecutions” are NKVD-like and awful just because Trey Gowdy thinks Mueller is an honest person?
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No. You should no longer think that because it makes no sense.
 
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I don’t think he said it was a nothingburger.
But I guess at this point, Gowdy is your only hope and the easiest message to swallow these days.
 
I don’t doubt for a moment your hope is in God, but you also seem to have a lot of hope in the democrats bringing the Trump presidency down as well.
 
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but you also seem to have a lot of hope in the democrats bringing the Trump presidency down as well.
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I am looking for agreement on facts and reasoning. I am confident that with those, all the rest will work out
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I don’t doubt for a moment your hope is in God, but you also seem to have a lot of hope in the democrats bringing the Trump presidency down as well.
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You know, we don’t all want to see President Trump get “brought down.” I certainly don’t want him re-elected, but “brought down”? No.

If it turns out that he has actually done something impeachable, well then, let the chips fall where they may, but I don’t think any of the liberals/Democrats/progressives/what-have-you here want to see impeachment turned into a political weapon.
 
And before people throw “Hitler” accusations around I wish they would read some real books, history of the atrocities that people went through. It was horrendous what was done to Catholic priests, Christian pastors and of course the Jewish people. Somehow I have been reading The Priest Barracks:Dachau 1938-1945…horrible, horrible suffering. Not saying you have done it, just saying to everyone.
 
So Gowdy says the warrant would not have been issued without the “dossier” and you have an issue with that…???
 
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So Gowdy says the warrant would not have been issued without the “dossier” and you have an issue with that…???
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I do. He is entitled to his opinon, of course, but this is not really somethign he can “know”. It is conjecture on his part. How does he know what the judge would have done without the information in the dossier?
 
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Just a bunch of people with agendas totally off the rails.

Can people actually watch something like that and not see that it’s total advocacy? It might as well be Breitbart or InfoWars.

Plus, DiGenova represents a former lawyer on the Trump team. Not sure what he’s doing here trashing the FBI and DOJ.
 
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