Why vote for Biden as Catholics?

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To answer the original question, I was going to vote for the American Solidarity Party, but in the end, I decided to be a part of Trump’s humiliation. The man is contempt personified. There is no love in him. A clashing cymbal, a resounding gong. He needed to be smacked down.

By the way, I hope this defeat allows the Republican party to recover and pivot toward a better future. I don’t like the Democratic party much, and hope the Republicans find a better candidate next time.
 
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Beryllos said:
and hope the Republicans find a better candidate next time.
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Nothing says Trump won’t run again in 4 years. God help us.

Either the republican party takes a step back, and decides that they will again decide to actually stand for something or it will continue to be swayed by off the wall candidates which do not align with the parties stated goals.
 
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Beryllos:
and hope the Republicans find a better candidate next time.
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Nothing says Trump won’t run again in 4 years. God help us.

Either the republican party takes a step back, and decides that they will again decide to actually stand for something or it will continue to be swayed by off the wall candidates which do not align with the parties stated goals.
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I hope to God no party would consider running a President who has been impeached (albeit not removed from.office).

Imagine the uproar if Bill Clinton had gone one term and the Dems.had run with him again.

Mind you theu tried Hillary, which was far from a great idea.
 
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farronwolf said:
Nothing says Trump won’t run again in 4 years.
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I would find that really interesting if he did. I have often wondered if we could have a Grover Cleveland scenario in today’s political environment. In the olden days, a loss at the polls didn’t necessarily write you off as a candidate forever, but in the last century, it seems like minds have changed on that, and once you lose, you’re toast, the party doesn’t bring you back for another try.

I am sure the Republican Party honchos would like Trump to ride off into the sunset, but he still has a huge base as shown by the closeness of the voting. I’m not sure where the Repubs would find another candidate who could command that level of enthusiastic support. I’m also not sure if that level of support would still be there in 4 years. Depends on what Joe does, I reckon. If the economy tanks or he passes away and Harris takes over, then I could see Trump running again.
 
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I am sure the Republican Party honchos would like Trump to ride off into the sunset, but he still has a huge base as shown by the closeness of the voting. I’m not sure where the Repubs would find another candidate who could command that level of enthusiastic support. I’m also not sure if that level of support would still be there in 4 years. Depends on what Joe does, I reckon. If the economy tanks or he passes away and Harris takes over, then I could see Trump running again.
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If the progressives have their way - and it sounds like they will be content with nothing other - I’m not sure there will be an “America” after the next four years. After the defunded police, after the wholesale support and promotion of world-wide abortion, after the strangling of the economy, after the accelerated war on the family, Christian morality and the Catholic Faith, “America” is a big question mark. God is merciful - but we only continue to insult Him.
 
Do you suppose he has a hair fetish ? I have not seen these videos before and honestly don’t know what to make of them :confused:
 
Sounds like a lot of posters are sore over yesterday. For many of the rest, it was a really good day.
 
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If the progressives have their way - and it sounds like they will be content with nothing other - I’m not sure there will be an “America” after the next four years.
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The other side said the same thing 4 years ago.

Constant gloom and doom is an unproductive drag no matter who’s pushing it.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
The other side said the same thing 4 years ago.

Constant gloom and doom is an unproductive drag no matter who’s pushing it.
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The fact that there is always an “other side” does not demonstrate that there are two realities, or two truths.

Nor do happy faces always demonstrate lasting happiness. Joy comes in truth, even if through tears.
 
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@27lw you’ve posted that video twice now in this thread.
 
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There was post yesterday with a simple message posted right after Joe Biden got the 270 electoral votes. The post said something like: “Congratulations to the 46th president of the United States”.

There was nothing defamatory or controversial in the note as far as I recall. It was not my post (and it’s gone now so one cannot reference it), but was just a simple gesture of kindness and goodwill. Within minutes, the moderators of this board (evidently) removed the post.

Although I’m not God, and I understand very little of God, it occurs to me that you should be careful. The Lord might not always be pleased with your manipulation of information.

This kind of behavior on a “Catholic” forum is not really catholic.

Peace and blessings,
-john
 
Yes but this is odd behaviour to say the least. You wouldn’t do that in public and not to kids you don’t know.
 
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Cruciferi said:
If our Beloved and Fearless Leader is exiled, I would prefer to see Prince Mike Pence take back the American Throne. 🤴 🇺🇸
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As Vice President, Mike Pence has always been perfectly aligned with President Trump. That’s fine for a VP, and necessary for anyone working under Trump, but I hope that Pence would be his own man as President. I wonder, who is the real Mike Pence? What do you think?
 
Tis_Bearself said:
The other side said the same thing 4 years ago.

Constant gloom and doom is an unproductive drag no matter who’s pushing it.
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Completely agree. Conservatives also said the same thing when Obama was elected and then re-elected… yet here we are.

The fact of the matter is that people in America have been making these kinds of statements when the opposition was elected dating back to the days of Thomas Jefferson. This is nothing new, but it definitely is not helpful. There is much to dislike about a Joe Biden presidency, but the idea it will “destroy America” is just nonsense. America has survived worse.

And quite frankly, though I did not vote for Biden because I dislike his party’s ideological views, another 4 years of Trump might have been just as bad in some ways. As I have said many times on this forum, his handling of the pandemic has been nothing short of atrocious. Were he re-elected, it would have been a long 2021 as well because he almost certainly would have been emboldened to keep downplaying the virus and letting it spread while delivering false promises on a vaccine. There was also much to hate about his behavior. The train wreck that was the first presidential debate was almost exclusively the result of Trump yelling and interrupting Biden for 90 minutes. Even Trump supporters I know said Trump behaved stupidly during that debate. It’s behavior like that which I think ultimately, combined with his historically reprehensible handling of a deadly pandemic, led to his defeat.

Considering how awful 2020 has been, and given how Trump has not made it any better with his COVID shenanigans, a return to a “normal presidency” is a bit of a relief, even though I don’t look forward to Democratic policies being implemented once again. Trump just needed to go. It’s a shame that he couldn’t be replaced with a more responsible conservative President, but I really think we will survive without him.

I won’t miss his irresponsible and reckless behavior, nor his inability to accept blame for anything. That attitude cost thousands of lives this year.
 
anneramones said:
How can you reconcile voting for pro abortion Biden with being Catholic? Gosh how can Biden himself being pro abortion and Catholic!
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I’m afraid this is all too typical: “pro-abortion” has absolutely NOTHING to do with being “pro-choice.” So the question you are posing is along the lines of “When did you stop beating your wife?” Of course if you equate “pro-abortion” and “pro-choice” (which is simply your opinion, not a fact) then you have a whole series of arguments that stem from that. But even if you think that way, you have to acknowledge that tens, if not hundreds, of millions of Americans don’t think that way. I won’t respond to any “arguments” because you would simply be stating your opinions, which is fine, but irrelevant.
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What were Catholics who voted for pro abortion, pro planned parenthood, Biden thinking when they voted for him?
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Easy question. First off, I wasn’t voting for “pro-abortion.” That’s like saying “What were Catholics who voted for stealing children from their parents at the border thinking?” I hope no one voted for either one.
  1. USCCB “Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship,” 2007, §42-- “As Catholics we are not single-issue voters. A candidate’s position on a single issue is not sufficient to guarantee a voter’s support.” And §35–“There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position may decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons.”
  2. “Gaudete et Exsultate”, Pope Francis, 2018–§101–(in full) “The other harmful ideological error is found in those who find suspect the social engagement of others, seeing it as superficial, worldly, secular, materialist, communist or populist. Or they relativize it, as if there are other more important matters, or the only thing that counts is one particular ethical issue or cause that they themselves defend. Our defence of the innocent unborn, for example, needs to be clear, firm and passionate, for at stake is the dignity of a human life, which is always sacred and demands love for each person, regardless of his or her stage of development. Equally sacred, however, are the lives of the poor, those already born, the destitute, the abandoned and the underprivileged, the vulnerable infirm and elderly exposed to covert euthanasia, the victims of human trafficking, new forms of slavery, and every form of rejection.[84] We cannot uphold an ideal of holiness that would ignore injustice in a world where some revel, spend with abandon and live only for the latest consumer goods, even as others look on from afar, living their entire lives in abject poverty.” And §102-- “We often hear it said that, with respect to relativism and the flaws of our present world, the situation of migrants, for example, is a lesser issue. Some Catholics consider it a secondary issue compared to the “grave” bioethical questions. That a politician looking for votes might say such a thing is understandable, but not a Christian…”
Please note the “equally sacred” section in the middle.
 
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And #3–
  1. Dignitatis Humanae, 1965, Paul VI: “In all his activity a man is bound to follow his conscience in order that he may come to God, the end and purpose of life. It follows that he is not to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his conscience. Nor, on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious.” This is also §1782 in the Catechism.
The decision to have an abortion is a matter of individual conscience. Most world religions have different standards for permitting abortions than the Catholic Church. Atheists also have a right to freedom of conscience. Please note: “Nor, on the other hand, is he to be restrained from acting in accordance with his conscience, especially in matters religious.” Making abortion illegal is doing exactly that.

I’ll pose a question to you: If Jesus had voted in this election, who would he have voted for?
 
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