Why was Salome (John's mother) not immaculately conceived?

[abdulmasih]

It doesn’t matter to me if you take great offence or not. I obey the Church and not you. The Church says I do not have to believe Anne Emmerich or any private revelation.

First, I am not ordering you to do anything, least of all apologize if you don’t want to. I’m not the revenge taker, the One Who Mounts the Cherubim is. Second, what you said is completely opposed to calling Emmerich’s testimony a nonsensical affair. You don’t know what happened, and if her vision was divinely inspired you are guilty of blasphemy and defamation.

 

[Megan7]

Right. Mary, personally, was protected from original sin when God created her soul.

It has nothing to do with what Sts. Anne and Joachim did or had in their hearts at the time of Mary’s conception (though we have no reason to believe they were having anything but pure and God-blessed marital relations).

Because the Immaculate Conception does not depend on any action of the parents involved, but only on God, there is no need to figure out what happened differently in the cases of Mary’s siblings.

(To the person who had the question about the odd exaltation of John the Baptist, there is a pious belief that he was cleansed of original sin in the womb, when he and Jesus “met” for the first time in their mothers’ wombs, but that is still not the same thing as an immaculate conception.)

Usagi

Thanks for this post.

 

[thistle]

First, I am not ordering you to do anything, least of all apologize if you don’t want to. I’m not the revenge taker, the One Who Mounts the Cherubim is. Second, what you said is completely opposed to calling Emmerich’s testimony a nonsensical affair. You don’t know what happened, and** if her vision was divinely inspired you are guilty of blasphemy and defamation**.

That is absolute rubbish. The Church says I don’t have to believe ANYTHING she says so it can hardly be defamation or blasphemy, neither of which you seem to know the meaning of.

I will repeat that, in my opinion, Anne Emmerich stating that after Jesus was arrested by the soldiers he was thrown off a bridge is nonsense.

 

[malphono]

I’ve really no interest to get involved in this thread, but it seems to me there’s some confusion here. The thread title refers to “Salome (John’s mother)” but many posts mention John the Baptist.

John (the Evangelist) and James (the Greater) were the sons of Zebedee and Salome, and I’m not familiar with any references that they were related to the Holy Virgin. James son of Allphaeus (the Lesser), OTOH, is sometimes referred to as “the brother of the Lord” but in Semitic usage, even today, the term “brother” often means a cousin.

John the Baptist was, of course, the son of Zachariah and Elizabeth who was “kinswoman” (another expression that often means “cousin” in Semitic usage) to the Holy Virgin.

 

[asia53]

You do realize, Anne Catherine Emmerich’s books were not considered when she became Venerable, only her virtuous heroic life. She is not a Saint yet.

The books were dictated to a poet, Clemens Brentano. No one is certain if the books are specifically what Anne Catherine Emmerich dictated, or if, Brentano fabricated some of the content.

In 1928, with the suspicion of doctored writings, her Cause for Beatification was suspended. The Holy See has since permitted the Cause to be re-opened on the sole issue of her life, without reference to the possibly doctored writings.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

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[JimmyG88]

Are posters getting confused about ‘Johns’. St Elizabeth was the mother of John the Baptist. And I believe Salome is confusingly referred to as Mary in the Gospels?

 

[ignatius777]

She was Mary’s younger sister. I’m actually very curious because Mary was conceived without lust (per the revelations of Saint Bridget). Not to disparage Saint Anne, but I really only see two possibilities:

1. She, too was immaculately conceived (probably not, since John and James sinned)
2. Lust was somehow (note I said SOMEHOW) involved in her conception.

It just doesnt make sense.

Where did you get this… Mary was conceived without lust??? She was conceived without sin…original sin.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

Where did you get this… Mary was conceived without lust??? She was conceived without sin…original sin.

Probably from that deep-seated misunderstanding that seems persistent in segments of the Catholic population that equates sexual pleasure in marriage with “lust.”

 

[JimmyG88]

I’m not 100% sure that we should rely on the revelations of various saints and holy persons