Why we’re forgetting the Holocaust

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It’s like schools just move kids along like an assembly line.
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
The real problem, as I see it, is that education is spending too much time focusing on critical thinking and critical writing,
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Sadly, I hope this is sarcasm, because my wife worked in a highschool and most of her students had absolutely zero critical thinking skills…
 
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So-called education. Much of the money goes into useless and redundant programs as well as the pocket books of administrators. If I ever retire from the educational field, I will surely write a tell-all book about my experiences as a college professor and a high school teacher. There are plenty of scandals in education that the general public doesn’t even know about.
 
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In my view, many students have zero critical thinking skills because they do not have enough of a knowledge base from which to draw on. I’m from the old school of education: that is, I believe that to cultivate critical thinking, one has to have some information to think about.
 
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I agree completely, but you can develop critical thinking skills regardless of the amount of knowledge you have.
 
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The real problem, as I see it, is that education is spending too much time focusing on critical thinking and critical writing, and not enough on content and helping students develop a knowledge base about the world. Also there is too much time and money invested in technological gadgetry in an effort to stimulate students’ motivation to learn. Not enough attention is paid to learning basic facts, concepts, and issues, nor enough attention given to the art of discussion and conversation of these issues in the classroom. Some teachers and professors are bucking the modern trend in education, but they are a dying breed.
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Yes, I agree that this is contributing to the problem too.
 
Start writing it now. I don’t want you to forget anything when I purchase your book.
 
Perhaps, but SOME knowledge of the subject matter is, I believe, a prerequisite. Most of the writers of books on critical thinking say otherwise, however. They make a lot of money riding the modern wave of education, which focuses on process to the near-exclusion of product. Actually, this is not really such a new idea. Educational trends often are recycled.
 
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I hope to get more parents involved. They are the first teachers of their children, after all.
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I think the problem is that the teachers with an agenda are good at covering their tracks. And as much as we would all like to do so, it’s not very realistic to have a daily recap of everything your kid learns in school. Even if the parent asks everyday, the kids are going to leave stuff out and unless the kids say something that really catches the parent’s attention, it’s hard to figure out everything they are learning vs what they are not learning.
 
I believe that critical thinking and knowledge should be developed together, but that critical thinking skills can be applied in any situation and so are not knowledge dependent.
 
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I agree completely, but you can develop critical thinking skills regardless of the amount of knowledge you have.
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True, but today’s modern approach to teaching doesn’t teach the kids how to think.

This is why I’m becoming a great fan of classical schools - now I just need to convince my wife (which is the hard part because she’s a former public school teacher and was taught private schools are filled with teachers that public schools didn’t hire. :roll_eyes: )
 
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Which is why parents need to go to school board meetings, to parent-teachers conferences, and ask questions. It would be good to have some parents form watchdog groups to really monitor what is being taught in schools.

Also, book lists get printed for each course. You can learn about an English teacher’s agenda from the reading list for the year.
 
Yeah, I’m planning to send my son to a Catholic school near us, if at all possible.
 
Participating ,yes. Watch dogs ,no. Parents.We are parents.
Do you know when we could listen and have conversations with our children?
During dinner. All together at the table.
Being available and present for them.
It is good that school and parents pull together,school as school,parents as parents.
When parents take over a school,it turns messy. When school takes over parents’ job,it turns bad too.
That has been my experience at least.
 
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I agree completely, but you can develop critical thinking skills regardless of the amount of knowledge you have.
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True, but today’s modern approach to teaching doesn’t teach the kids how to think.

This is why I’m becoming a great fan of classical schools - now I just need to convince my wife (which is the hard part because she’s a former public school teacher and was taught private schools are filled with teachers that public schools didn’t hire. :roll_eyes: )
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Lol. Having gone to both private and public schools, I think your wife is wrong. The teachers at my private school were world class. 75% of them were much much better than the teachers that I had in public schools.

The private school teachers wanted to be there, loved their jobs, loved their students, were experts in their fields and challenged their students to be their absolute best. The school had a feeling of family, and much of that was due to the teachers.

They would have dismissed the resumes of 90% of public school teachers without a second thought.

I guess the challenge is to find the right private school for your child.

Unlike public school teachers, private school teachers who go through the motions last for one year before not having their contract renewed.
 
I know that at minimum, parents should at least be asking kids at the dinner table what they did at school today. I was just offering a possible solution to a poster who suggested that that might not be enough.

I would not suggest parents take over schools. While I would like to see more involvement, some parents work multiple jobs or don’t speak English, or can’t get involved for some other reason, so you would have certain groups of students underrepresented.
 
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