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PrayforMallory
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- So that it enriches the OF.
- So that everyone has the opportunity to enjoy the Mass in Latin.
- So that these debates end once and for all.
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Dempsey1919
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Not all Priests know how to celebrate the Tridentine Mass. Not all Priests know or understand Latin. A lot of Priests would need to be trained and taught how to celebrate the Mass.
Not every Church is suitable for the celebration of the Tridentine Mass. Many modern Churches do not have a suitable altar, not to mention the need for altar rails.
Many Catholics have no interest in the Tridentine Mass. Many are more than happy with the OF and would not attend the EF even if they had the chance.
However, I do think the Tridentine Mass should be celebrated in more parishes around the world. I also think we should expose our children to this Mass when they are young so that they can experience some of the riches of traditional roman spirituality.
Education is the first step that must be taken. We must ensure that all Catholics understand the uniqueness and historical importance of the Tridentine Mass. Only then will we see an increase in the amount of people who want to attend the Tridentine Mass.
Not every Church is suitable for the celebration of the Tridentine Mass. Many modern Churches do not have a suitable altar, not to mention the need for altar rails.
Many Catholics have no interest in the Tridentine Mass. Many are more than happy with the OF and would not attend the EF even if they had the chance.
However, I do think the Tridentine Mass should be celebrated in more parishes around the world. I also think we should expose our children to this Mass when they are young so that they can experience some of the riches of traditional roman spirituality.
Education is the first step that must be taken. We must ensure that all Catholics understand the uniqueness and historical importance of the Tridentine Mass. Only then will we see an increase in the amount of people who want to attend the Tridentine Mass.
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PrayforMallory
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Agreed!
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Joannm
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Perhaps because no one in the parish expressed an interest in it. Perhaps because it is offered in enough easily accessible churches that people who want it can go there, where they have priests who are actually trained in celebrating the Latin Mass, and they will have a decent size assebly to participate.
i work in a parish and I know of only one person who asked our pastor about the Mass in Latin out of 3,000 families. We directed him to another local parish. The pastor is not going to juggle around our already full Sunday schedule to satisfy one parishioner. And our regular Sunday masses are very reverent…and by the way, we don’t go to mass to “enjoy”" it but to praise and worship God and for most people, including the priests, it is better for them to do that in their own language. If people prefer the Latin Mass I have no problem with that, but where there is not a need or a demand for it then things should be left as they are.
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PrayforMallory
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Forgive me, but since when is it about satisfyin folks?
Every Catholic ought to know some Latin. As a matter of fact, every educated person ought to!
Besides, once it’s promoted, who knows how many folks will get into it.
Y’all don’t wanna shake things up!
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ethelzguy
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How does the TLM “enrich” the OF?
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Fitswimmer
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I don’t see any reason why every parish can’t at least offer a Latin Mass on occasion. If people are never exposed to it, they are missing a huge part of their history and tradition. If I hadn’t seen an ad in the paper-I would never have even tried it and I LOVE it now. None of my local parishes offer it and I was raised after it was gone.
I can see how having one every week could be a problem, but once a season couldn’t really be that much of a hardship.
I can see how having one every week could be a problem, but once a season couldn’t really be that much of a hardship.
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michaeldaniels
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Yeah…they should remove that concert known as Life Teen Mass at the parishes that have it and replace it with the Latin Mass
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ethelzguy
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Or, we could do away with all the spanish Masses that cater to the Mexicans and replace those with Latin…
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michaeldaniels
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You can’t bait me on this subject…sorry, offering a Mass for a group of people that speak a certain language (which should be offered freely) is a far cry from Folk Bands, Liturgical Dancers, changing the words of certain prayers, and the litany of other abuses that take place at a Life Teen Mass
Oh…by they way…last time I checked, Spanish is a language spoken by numerous countries…not just Mexicans. Just wanted to give you an FYI in case you were not aware of that.
Oh…by they way…last time I checked, Spanish is a language spoken by numerous countries…not just Mexicans. Just wanted to give you an FYI in case you were not aware of that.
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ethelzguy
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But it IS a Mass done in a foreign language for the benefit of one group, yes?
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SenorSalsa
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I know this will sound condecending, but this would be a really hard sell, especially in places like Flordia, where I am. A lot of the people who go to Spanish Masses are of questionable legality. Some are citizens, some have visas, and others, you just dont ask.
And the ones that may not be legal, tend not to be the intellecutals. They are the basic day labor type people. Sticking them with a Latin Mass would be like chaning it to Chinese to them. And I would rather not cause a rift between the Church and the group that is starting to make up the majority of the Church in America
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michaeldaniels
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Ok, Im confused…what point are you trying to make? By your logic, you are saying we should eliminate all Masses done in the vernacular that cater to each persons native tongue, since they benefit one group? Regardless of whether or not you realize it, you just proved the necessity of a universal language for The Mass, i.e. Latin, which I am in favor of. Thank you for your support on this matter. I am glad we see eye to eye.
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michaeldaniels
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Que paso…have no worries, our friend is just being satirical with me…he doesn’t mean what he is saying. He is trying to bait me because I am a radical traditionalist as some would label me.
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ethelzguy
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Oh, by the way…there is no doubt in this part of the country WHO the “spanish” Masses are for…
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Fitswimmer
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Actually, our traditional chapel has a large number of non-English speaking folks. We have a good number of Latinos and Asians that attend our Masses-with their Latin/Spanish or Latin/Japanese missals. We’re all able to worship together easily even though we do not speak the same language. Sadly, they don’t get the full value of the sermon yet, but they’re all learning English and doing really well.
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ethelzguy
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Nice Try
I firmly believe that when in a given country, you should speak the language of that country. When in Rome…
That being said, if you feel that a Mass in a non-native language is appropriate and needed, then I certainly wouldn’t have a problem with dropping the spanish Masses in the United States in favor of Latin.
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ethelzguy
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Upon reflection, it occurs to me that a TLM in each parish would create the same issue that the Spanish Masses do…a sub-parish within a parish.
Good or Bad, Right or Wrong, Fair or Unfair, that is the fact of the matter. In most parishes, the Spanish Mass crowd functions within itself, seperate from the rest of the parish.
From what I read here, there is no doubt in my mind that the same holds true with the TLM groups. Their professed “my Mass is better than your Mass” attitudes would only serve to further the “seperate but equal” sub parish-within-a-parish situation.
Good or Bad, Right or Wrong, Fair or Unfair, that is the fact of the matter. In most parishes, the Spanish Mass crowd functions within itself, seperate from the rest of the parish.
From what I read here, there is no doubt in my mind that the same holds true with the TLM groups. Their professed “my Mass is better than your Mass” attitudes would only serve to further the “seperate but equal” sub parish-within-a-parish situation.
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michaeldaniels
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Really…what about the El Salvadorians…I have a few of them that were working for me…should we exclude them…make it Mexican only? What about the Argentinians or Brazilians?
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ethelzguy
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Wordsmithing doesn’t change the facts…most parishes in this part of the country already have a “foreign” language to accommodate a ‘special’ group.
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