Why we need to stand up against Anti-Gay sentiment

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at9009 said:
For a Christian who is sexually attracted to others of the same sex, any sexual desire that comes about would not be good and represent a problem. It is a problem because there is no where for that sexual desire to go and be moral and within accordance of our Catholic faith. Attraction and friendship however are a good and there is no problems with that. In essence, I guess, the person needs to resist and ask for help in suppressing the sexual desires. In many cases, they do not interfere with a friendship and even overtime diminish. If however, the sexual desires and temptations represent too much of a burden, then maybe it may come to a point where the friendship may have to be ended.

In the case with a person attracted to someone of the other sex, the sexual desire does have an ending that is within accordance with our faith: ie. marriage between a man and a woman that is open to life (as long as neither spouse is previously divorced). However, if a married man or woman feels sexual attraction to someone other than their spouse, the same problems arise. The sexual desire cannot be morally permissable. However, attraction to someone of the other sex is not the issue.

The issue, I guess, is whenever we develop desires (whatever they are) that are contrary to God’s Will and design. In the case of sexual attraction, any sexual attraction that does not end or aims at a heterosexual marriage (that is in accordance with Catholic Morality and teaching) that is open to life is problematic. Does that make sense? At least that’s my perspective I guess.

I don’t see two friends who are attracted to each other: as in enjoy spending time with each other, have developed genuine phila type love could be a problem, and if God is kept in the relationship as a problem. Obviously any relationship or friendship can become a problem if it becomes more important than our faith etc.
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You know what I’m talking about: SSA. Same sex attraction. Who did God intend romantic to be at the beginning of creation? Man and Woman!
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
You know what I’m talking about: SSA. Same sex attraction. Who did God intend romantic to be at the beginning of creation? Man and Woman!
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Where was I talking about romance?

Not everyone is called to marriage so many people will not have eros like that. However, the love found in friendships can be just as deep and powerful. Or are you viewing marriage as superior and friendship as nice but not really important?

The friendship bond we see between David and Jonathan was extremely deep (***Disclaimer so no one freaks out: I am not saying either of them had same sex sexual attraction, they didn’t). Friendship is a powerful and important thing that our culture has completely devalued. For a Christian sexually attracted to others of the same sex, friendship is a pivotal support in their cross.

I also as previously stated, same sex attraction is a weak and poor statement. Same sex attraction isn’t a problem. Same sex sexual attraction is the problem. That is a pretty big distinction and thought I was being painfully drawn out to explain that difference.
 
at9009 said:
Where was I talking about romance?

Not everyone is called to marriage so many people will not have eros like that. However, the love found in friendships can be just as deep and powerful. Or are you viewing marriage as superior and friendship as nice but not really important?

The friendship bond we see between David and Jonathan was extremely deep (***Disclaimer so no one freaks out: I am not saying either of them had same sex sexual attraction, they didn’t). Friendship is a powerful and important thing that our culture has completely devalued. For a Christian sexually attracted to others of the same sex, friendship is a pivotal support in their cross.

I also as previously stated, same sex attraction is a weak and poor statement. Same sex attraction isn’t a problem. Same sex sexual attraction is the problem. That is a pretty big distinction and thought I was being painfully drawn out to explain that difference.
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Quit dodging it.
 
at9009 said:
…Same sex attraction isn’t a problem. Same sex sexual attraction is the problem. That is a pretty big distinction and thought I was being painfully drawn out to explain that difference.
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To what end? Rarely, if ever, does anybody use the term “same sex attraction” to refer to something other than sexual attraction.
 
Rau said:
To what end? Rarely, if ever, does anybody use the term “same sex attraction” to refer to something other than sexual attraction.
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The problem is equates attraction to the same sex with sexual attraction to the same sex. This makes it difficult to distinguish between a chaste attraction which is essential and good for friendship with sexual attraction which presents as a problem.

Add onto this a culture that oversexualizes everything that makes these terms ambiguous (to the point where close friendship has been completely devalued). I think it is important to make a distinction between the two. Otherwise, a Christian who is sexually attracted to others of the same sex ends up looking at every friendship with another person of the same sex with this toxic lens. Rather than see the good out of a potential chaste attraction, they end up only seeing the possible bad which it, in of itself, can be a pretty big stumbling block. I guess that is why I make the distinction between the two.
 
Friendships among persons of the same sex are commonplace.

That anyone, including persons of homosexual inclination, can have same sex friends, is I think unremarkable and well understood. To introduce same sex friends into this discussion by identifying them as a (benign, non sexual) form of SSA is, I think, unhelpful, and borders on a contradiction in terms. It’s bound to confuse.
 
I concur completely. God’s love does not exclude any human being, as such, we must respect each other.
 
So people are BORN with the disposition for sex sexual attraction. It’s just a fact
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
Is SSA of God?
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I believe that SSA is just one of many temptations and Satan will target each of us with
whatever he feels is most effective to keep us from the Lord and Eternal Life. Satan is a
convincing liar. I believe SSA is certainly not of God.

Do you believe the Magisterium is wrong to claim a group of people experience exclusive SSA? I do.

God bless
 
jjr9 said:
I believe that SSA is just one of many temptations and Satan will target each of us with
whatever he feels is most effective to keep us from the Lord and Eternal Life. Satan is a
convincing liar. I believe SSA is certainly not of God.

Do you believe the Magisterium is wrong to claim a group of people experience exclusive SSA? I do.

God bless
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Are you yourself or any of the magisterium from any form of personal understanding. The fact is some people are Gay. Who created them?
 
JimmyG88 said:
Are you yourself or any of the magisterium from any form of personal understanding. The fact is some people are Gay. Who created them?
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God dind not create SSA. SSA and all other disorders came from Man rejecting God, that is, Original Sin.
 
Rau said:
The etiology of SSA (indeed, of sexual attraction generally) is not known. Your statement is speculation.
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And you are 100% certain of this? I would strongly urge you to speak to people who are gay and ask them. It’s a perfectly simple route to finding out the truth, unless they would all lie
 
Rau said:
The etiology of SSA (indeed, of sexual attraction generally) is not known. Your statement is speculation.
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I do also think that the word ‘etiology’ that you choose to describe Sexual Attraction (of any form) is odd but telling. Etiology being a word used commonly to describe the origins of a disease. I certainly don’t regard sex as a disease to be endured and neither does the Church.
 
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