Why worship statues??

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So, do you not have any pictures of loved ones? When you look at a picture of your loved one, do you love the Kodak print or the person you love.

We do not worship statues, we are reminded of the Saints, of Jesus, of Our Lady by often very beautiful images of them.
 
Did you read the article I posted?
I hope he reads the article you posted. It’s incredibly frustrating that we have to 1) repeat the same arguments against the same misconceptions so frequently, and 2) listen to others tell us what we believe, while they ignore everything we say about what we actually believe (which is why I prefer to back up my statements with articles like yours, references to scripture and the Catechism to remove all doubt about our beliefs).
 
I hope he reads the article you posted. It’s incredibly frustrating that we have to 1) repeat the same arguments against the same misconceptions so frequently, and 2) listen to others tell us what we believe, while they ignore everything we say about what we actually believe (which is why I prefer to back up my statements with articles like yours, references to scripture and the Catechism to remove all doubt about our beliefs).
I love using the CatholicAnswers resources. It frustrates me that others don’t begin there, and then ignore the resources we do post.

But that was part of the reason I asked at what age he left the Church, and how old he was now. As we all know, the abysmal state of Catacetics is affecting our young people. I am still reminded of a story someone posted about sittin in on her daughter’s CCD Communion Prep and the TEACHER told the students that the Eucharist was just a SYMBOL!
 
Yes the Lord did have a staff which to look upon and yes there were cherubim on top of the arc of the covenant.

But what happens when people put importance on those objects?, where is the arc now? Did they light candles or incents to these objects. Did they say prayers to these objects?

What happened to the temple? Jesus destroyed the temple and rose up a new church which is you and I.

Why would we give statues and prayers for Mary whom is only human, The ascension is only doctrine it is not in the bible.

My logic is not infallible in fact I make mistakes too.

Also those apocryphal books were added much later, and were to only be used as inspirational and historical, because they could not find them divine.

By the way I do not belong to a denomination im a follower of the way (read Acts) I dont care for religion only relationship

and now I am 22
 
Why worship statues of saints, of Mary, or of Jesus??
Yes, why worship bits of creation vs the creator? Now do you worship bits of creation vice the creator? Are you asking us why you should? No, brother do not forsake the creation for the creator. God and the BVM would be upset at your carelessness.

This is a good place to ask such questions, so you can be gently rebuked of your false ideas.
 
Yes the Lord did have a staff which to look upon and yes there were cherubim on top of the arc of the covenant.

But what happens when people put importance on those objects?, where is the arc now? Did they light candles or incents to these objects. Did they say prayers to these objects?

What happened to the temple? Jesus destroyed the temple and rose up a new church which is you and I.

Why would we give statues and prayers for Mary whom is only human, The ascension is only doctrine it is not in the bible.

My logic is not infallible in fact I make mistakes too.

Also those apocryphal books were added much later, and were to only be used as inspirational and historical, because they could not find them divine.

By the way I do not belong to a denomination im a follower of the way (read Acts) I dont care for religion only relationship

and now I am 22
You do realize that the lighting of incense is symbolic of carrying our prayers to Heaven, right?

The Apocalypse Of Saint John 8: 3-4
And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel.
 
You do realize that Catholic doctrine is riddled with this stuff, for instance that a priest cannot marry:

read Timothy chapter 3

Purgatory

That somehow the Catholic building is the house of the Lord

Ive come here to tell you these things in order to be like Jeremiah,
to warn you.

as for age, Paul told Timothy do not let anyone look down on you because of your age.
and now I am done because:

Titus 3:9-11

“But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.”
 
I was a Catholic up until the age of 20, whats amazing is that it all happened because I read 'The Bible" it was the douay reihms version.
Wait a minute. You were baptized, first communion and confirmed Roman Catholic? You went through catechisms and live a Christian life and at age 20 you had a sudden flash of inspiration that you knew more than all of Christdom from the last 2000 years?:confused: You suddenly took up with a group that looked at what the undivided church taught (7th council I believe) and said we know better? Hummmm…

Who guided your Bible Study? Personal interpretation of the bible can lead to all sorts of interesting ideas. Some good, some bad.

So when you had your revelation that the Roman Catholic Church was wrong and you are right…where did you go? I have an idea, but eagerly await your response.

By the way, we are passing as you head toward the fringes and I head toward the center.
 
You do realize that in leaving the Church, you are walking disorderdly?
Second Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Thessalonians 3:6
And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us

And you have turned your back on the traditions that have been passed down to us from the Apostles?
Second Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Thessalonians 2:14
Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.
 
Read Here

Do Catholics Worship Statues?

“Catholics worship statues!” People still make this ridiculous claim. Because Catholics have statues in their churches, goes the accusation, they are violating God’s commandment: “You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them” (Ex. 20:4–5); “Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold” (Ex. 32:31).
It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues.

Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, makes the blanket statement, “God has forbidden the use of images in worship” (281). Yet if people were to “search the scriptures” (cf. John 5:39), they would find the opposite is true. God forbade the worship of statues, but he did not forbid the religious use of statues. Instead, he actually commanded their use in religious contexts!

God Said To Make Them

People who oppose religious statuary forget about the many passages where the Lord commands the making of statues. For example: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold *; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be” (Ex. 25:18–20). *

David gave Solomon the plan “for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan”(1 Chr. 28:18–19).David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was ]“by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all,” **included statues of angels. **

Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, “On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim.”

The Religious Uses of Images

During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to “make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live” (Num. 21:8–9).
One had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent to be healed, which shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations.

Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it helps to remember one’s mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for teaching children. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much as Protestant churches have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas.

If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then by using these “graven” images, they would be practicing the “idolatry” of which they accuse Catholics. But there’s no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images as gods, but he doesn’t ban the making of images. If he had, religious movies, videos, photographs, paintings, and all similar things would be banned. But, as the case of the bronze serpent shows, God does not even forbid the ritual use of religious images.

It is when people begin to adore a statue as a god that the Lord becomes angry. Thus when people did start to worship the bronze serpent as a snake-god (whom they named “Nehushtan”), the righteous king Hezekiah had it destroyed (2 Kgs. 18:4).

Get all the facts and read in context… not bits and pieces.

Paul
 
SNIP!

Get all the facts and read in context… not bits and pieces.

Paul
thanks for posting the article I linked to earlier! I always think- “I should just post the article”, but they are usually so full of stuff, I just end up giving the link! I pray the OP reads the article (along with the other wonderful articles CA has avilable) and comes back home! :gopray2:
 
Will you be also be letting the Eastern Orthodox know they shouldn’t kiss icons anymore?
 
Will you be also be letting the Eastern Orthodox know they shouldn’t kiss icons anymore?
😛 😉 Would you want to tell the Russians to stop doing something? 😉 😛

And personally, I am not Orthodox, but I still kiss my icons (esp. my Sacred Heart of Jesus). But I also kiss the picture of my husband every morning since he and I are not together right now. Just call me crazy 🤷
 
what do you think lighting candles at the feet of these statues are, or what about the many other practices like parading with Mary statues.
Millions of soccer fans join parades of their favorite players when they come home, some even carry their pictures in their wallets and locker rooms, light up blazing fireworks, etc. and you did not call it worship?
Amazing double standards huh??
 
You do realize that Catholic doctrine is riddled with this stuff, for instance that a priest cannot marry:

read Timothy chapter 3

Purgatory

That somehow the Catholic building is the house of the Lord

Ive come here to tell you these things in order to be like Jeremiah,
to warn you.

as for age, Paul told Timothy do not let anyone look down on you because of your age.
and now I am done because:

Titus 3:9-11

“But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.”
Anger and arrogance mixed with youth is sad and dangerous.

You are not looked down upon due to age, but your level of maturity is questioned.

Also, read the Epistle to the Hebrews. Then asked yourself, if you can, does any of this apply to me.

But you maybe gone. You came here. made unfounded accusations, when confronted nicely…oh it could have been harder for you…you suddenly realize you are in over your head so you throw out some scriptures unrelated to your situation and leave in a air of self righteousness.

It is obvious you are in your rebellious years and under the authority of no one, to include Christ. To act this way with fellow brethren and then state they are decieved and lost is ungodly and heaps coals upon your head. No Roman Catholic I know, except for that stupid priest in Aussie land, denies Christ or the gospel.
We may have differences in pious opinion and the papacy, but not the gospel.

Your selection of Titus is interesting. The word of God can be a two edged sword. The quote you have applies more to you than any one else on this thread.
 
I was a Catholic up until the age of 20, whats amazing is that it all happened because I read 'The Bible" it was the douay reihms version.
Then you were an ignorant Catholic. It’s okay, probably wasn’t your fault. However, now you’re responsible for your ignorance so why don’t you take it upon yourself to learn what Catholicism really teaches.

M
 
Yes the Lord did have a staff which to look upon and yes there were cherubim on top of the arc of the covenant.

But what happens when people put importance on those objects?, where is the arc now? Did they light candles or incents to these objects. Did they say prayers to these objects?
No, and we don’t say prayers to objects either. Where did you get that idea, and did you read the passages of the Catechism I quoted above, in post #5? We place our trust not in the images of Our Lord, as you seem to think we do. We’re well aware of the scriptural prohibitions against placing trust in images and icons, and even though we’ve corrected your misconceptions about the purposes of these objects in our worship, you still insist upon telling us what we’re doing with them. There’s a bit of off-putting arrogance and presumption in persisting with accusations that have been categorically disproven, so I suggest you read through the materials posted in this thread (particularly the excellent article linked by PatienceAndLove, and the scriptural and Catechism references included by myself and others) before making any additional statements on this matter.
What happened to the temple? Jesus destroyed the temple and rose up a new church which is you and I.

Why would we give statues and prayers for Mary whom is only human, The ascension is only doctrine it is not in the bible.
The Jews didn’t worship the temple - they worshipped IN the temple. And it was ornamented in such a manner to indicate the significance it held with respect to Jewish worship practices. Shouldn’t we desire to give our first and best to the Lord, just as he commanded the Jews to do in their animal sacrifices?

Non-Catholics are often confused about what we mean by “praying to” Mary. Pay careful attention to some of the written prayers we offer to Our Lady, and notice that every single one of them is a request that she pray for us - which is the only thing she can do in answer to our prayers, since she’s not God. This has been the constant teaching of the Church for 2000 years - every Catholic knows this, and we all know where to draw the line between honor and worship.
My logic is not infallible in fact I make mistakes too.

Also those apocryphal books were added much later, and were to only be used as inspirational and historical, because they could not find them divine.
Your reading of history re: the Deuterocanonicals is woefully inaccurate. I suggest you read my apologetics lesson on the subject, which is located here. Church councils from the 4th century onward all accepted the canonicity of these books, and it wasn’t until the Reformation that they were removed. Martin Luther wanted to go even further and remove certain other books, most notably James, because they disagreed with his personal (mis)interpretations of other passages of scripture.
By the way I do not belong to a denomination im a follower of the way (read Acts) I dont care for religion only relationship

and now I am 22
That “religion vs. relationship” line is a load of nonsense. The scriptures don’t seem to have a problem with the word “religion”:

1 Timothy 5:4 (NIV) - But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.

James 1:26-27 (NIV) - If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
 
That “religion vs. relationship” line is a load of nonsense. The scriptures don’t seem to have a problem with the word “religion”:

1 Timothy 5:4 (NIV) - But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God.

James 1:26-27 (NIV) - If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
I never understood the “relationship” thing. Two of my friends use that line as their “religious views” on Facebook:
i dont have a religion i have a relationship
Religion is an institution created by the MAN to keep us down. I follow the God Man Jesus Christ.
Would you explain this “concept” to me, and where it came from?
 
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