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zab
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And with all of your convincing you may still loose, but you can feel better because you were voting for a “winner” ?
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zab
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I don’t believe he is a guaranteed loser. And I will feel like I have done my duty in voting for the best candidate.
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Hijacked: Help Line Now Dials Abortion
ncregister.com/site/article/11014
A toll-free suicide hotline was founded to honor a woman who committed suicide after an abortion. Now the phone number is in the hands of a New York City agency that helps channel young pregnant mothers in crisis to Planned Parenthood’s abortion businesses.
The story is as disturbing as it is heartbreaking.
Kristin Brooks, 28, suffered from bipolar and borderline personality disorders. When she became pregnant in 1998, her moods stabilized. She was so happy she was able to go off her medications.
Tragically, the unborn baby was diagnosed as having 20 serious birth defects. The doctor offered an immediate abortion as the only option.
“I wish she’d had more time and more options presented, but that was not the case,” H. Reese Butler, Kristin’s husband, recalled.
They were sitting in a restaurant when Kristin felt the baby stop moving. She told her husband, “Our baby just died.”
For months after the abortion, Kristin’s moods seesawed from depression to mania. Back on her medication, she ended up in a psychiatric ward, where she committed suicide by hanging herself with an electrical cord.
Butler was left grief-stricken, begging God to help him understand why his beloved wife and baby were dead and he was alive.
One day he received his answer. He felt called to honor Kristin’s memory by starting a toll-free hotline devoted to preventing suicide, particularly among women battling post-abortion depression and post-partum depression.
With funds from his late wife’s life insurance and the sale of their home, he set up 1-800-SUICIDE, the first national suicide hotline in the United States.
Owned and operated by the Kristin Brooks Hope Center, the hotline served as a central switchboard to connect callers to crisis centers all across the country.
1-800-SUICIDE met a deep need. Today the hotline receives and routes 400,000 to 500,000 calls a year, with no advertising.
But Butler no longer runs it.
In 2001, he made the mistake of accepting a federal grant set up specifically for 1-800-SUICIDE through legislation sponsored by Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. From day one, the federal government grabbed for control.
Last year, the federal government confiscated 1-800-SUICIDE and gave it to the Mental Health Association of New York City, through which pregnancy-related calls are routed almost solely to Planned Parenthood’s abortion businesses.
An estimated 10% of the calls pouring into 1-800-SUICIDE come from girls and women struggling with crisis pregnancies. This means that, thanks to Uncle Sam, approximately 40,000 to 50,000 pregnant young mothers a year are now being routed to abortion businesses as their sole resource.
New York City is known as “the abortion capital of America.”
The federal government’s confiscation and transfer of 1-800-SUICIDE to a New York City agency was done with no public hearings and no due process. And in meetings starting this week (March 3-7), the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) may be about to decide to make the transfer of 1-800-SUICIDE permanent.
ncregister.com/site/article/11014
A toll-free suicide hotline was founded to honor a woman who committed suicide after an abortion. Now the phone number is in the hands of a New York City agency that helps channel young pregnant mothers in crisis to Planned Parenthood’s abortion businesses.
The story is as disturbing as it is heartbreaking.
Kristin Brooks, 28, suffered from bipolar and borderline personality disorders. When she became pregnant in 1998, her moods stabilized. She was so happy she was able to go off her medications.
Tragically, the unborn baby was diagnosed as having 20 serious birth defects. The doctor offered an immediate abortion as the only option.
“I wish she’d had more time and more options presented, but that was not the case,” H. Reese Butler, Kristin’s husband, recalled.
They were sitting in a restaurant when Kristin felt the baby stop moving. She told her husband, “Our baby just died.”
For months after the abortion, Kristin’s moods seesawed from depression to mania. Back on her medication, she ended up in a psychiatric ward, where she committed suicide by hanging herself with an electrical cord.
Butler was left grief-stricken, begging God to help him understand why his beloved wife and baby were dead and he was alive.
One day he received his answer. He felt called to honor Kristin’s memory by starting a toll-free hotline devoted to preventing suicide, particularly among women battling post-abortion depression and post-partum depression.
With funds from his late wife’s life insurance and the sale of their home, he set up 1-800-SUICIDE, the first national suicide hotline in the United States.
Owned and operated by the Kristin Brooks Hope Center, the hotline served as a central switchboard to connect callers to crisis centers all across the country.
1-800-SUICIDE met a deep need. Today the hotline receives and routes 400,000 to 500,000 calls a year, with no advertising.
But Butler no longer runs it.
In 2001, he made the mistake of accepting a federal grant set up specifically for 1-800-SUICIDE through legislation sponsored by Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass. From day one, the federal government grabbed for control.
Last year, the federal government confiscated 1-800-SUICIDE and gave it to the Mental Health Association of New York City, through which pregnancy-related calls are routed almost solely to Planned Parenthood’s abortion businesses.
An estimated 10% of the calls pouring into 1-800-SUICIDE come from girls and women struggling with crisis pregnancies. This means that, thanks to Uncle Sam, approximately 40,000 to 50,000 pregnant young mothers a year are now being routed to abortion businesses as their sole resource.
New York City is known as “the abortion capital of America.”
The federal government’s confiscation and transfer of 1-800-SUICIDE to a New York City agency was done with no public hearings and no due process. And in meetings starting this week (March 3-7), the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) may be about to decide to make the transfer of 1-800-SUICIDE permanent.
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dmelosi
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What is so telling about this is that the liberals or democratics…never cover this. This is what is so sad about the many Catholics that are so steadfast in their democrat party affiliation.
I look at this in the same way that I do with the many good muslims out there that never condemn the extremists. It seems like the extremists are the voices for the muslims as well as for the democratic party and the ones that I believe truly don’t feel that way are being swept up into the extremists view which identify their affiliation.
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Aramis
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Certain states have defined personhood as starting at the point where it is possible for the child to survive outside the womb; prior to that point, it’s part of the mother’s body, legally.Thanks. It was just when I heard about those cases I would go HUH? Haven’t read Roe vs. Wade, but who decided that after the first tri-mester an zygote became human?? Interesting, when without faith and morality, no one knows.Peace.
That point of personhood varies from 20 weeks gestation to birth (5 months), varies by state. The abortion limits generally run 6th month, but again, do vary by state.
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Insight
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Happy Easter Aramis,
Have a Blessed Easter
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The Catholic Church holds that the soul is infused at the moment of conception. That soul will exist forever, and if aborted, may be part of the Great Multitude on Judgment Day, crying out to Almighty God for Divine Justice.
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SenorSalsa
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A lot of reponse answers comin here
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And I believe he is following the constitution
Parties do not necesarilly nominate like-minded justices. Justice Souter is one of the most liberal justices today. He was nominated by H.W. Bush. Justices do not have party affiliations, and therefore you cannot say democrats will get democrat justices and vice versa for republicans.
Not really, the first laws on abortion came from the given ability of the Nat. Govt to regulate “inter-state commerce”. Thus the slave trade was outlawed in the Union. The Ammendment was more of a rubber stamp of the states, it was outlawed anyways. In the end, the States make ammendments, so it was left up to the states.
Not that it says “born or naturalized” That right there makes the 14th ammendment unaplicable to unborns. Human beings or not, there are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. They may be human, but not citizens
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SenorSalsa
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you get your own post
, mostly becuase your quote is directed towards me, and its longer.responses
1)Anti-war is really the wrong word, maybe anti-agressor is the better word. Basically, I would not start a war. And if you look through history, we have started every war since WWII. Korea was started to prevent communism, as was Vietnam. We were not forced to attack in either (yes i know about the Bay of Tonkin, dont try to say we werent in the wrong). Somalia was us. Both Gulf Wars were us. Even further back, The Mexican-American war and the Spanish-American wars were instigated by us.
Wars that were ok in my view. Revolution. 1812. Civil War. The two World Wars. Thats about it. And even the Civil War is debatable.
2)I realize not all are, but look around. The Canidates “amnesty” bill is criticized every time possible by Conservatives. Republicans as a whole did not like that bill
3)Embryonic Stem Cell is the kind I was referring too.
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vern_humphrey
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No. The 14th Amendment declares states do not have the power to deprive people of their right to life without due process.
Okay, let’s parse what the Ammendment says:
- All persons – this is the major category.
- citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside – this is the sub-category.
- born or naturalized in the United States – this is the discriminator, how you tell persons who are citizens from persons who are not.
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This section addresses both citizens and persons. Clearly, it is citizens, a subcategory (defined earlier as “All persons born or naturalized in the United States”) whose priviliges and immunities may not be abridged.
But it is persons – the larger category – who cannot be deprived of “life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”
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SenorSalsa
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unfortunately your argument collapses when adjectives are looked at.
It isnt all persons, its all persons born or naturalized Non-citizens are not adressed in the 14th amendment, nor for that matter, any of the rights in the Constitution. It applies to Americans. If this were not true, than illegal immigrants would not be illegal. Becuase they would have the same rights as Americans by sole basis of existing.
Do they have the same inherent rights as persons, yes. But do they have the same rights inside of the US, no. The US in the world is the same as a club in the US, it can allow who it wants, and deny who it doesnt want. It doesnt have to be “fair”
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rlg94086
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Gee…I’m…honored?you get your own post
Not true.
by a Democrat…
by a Democrat…
Umm…we started the Somali Civil War??
Actually, Iraq invaded Kuwait and we joined the UN in defending Kuwait. So, no, it wasn’t “us” who started. We were at in a state of cease-fire with Iraq up until 2003.
Nope…a little more complicated than that. We tried to avoid war, tried to purchase territory, Texans won their independance from Mexico and we offered to annex them…which Texans agreed to. Then there were border disagreements which led to attacks by Mexican forces on American troops.
Sure…we’ll take credit for that one, though it was also more complicated than just saying we “instigated” it.
Not everyone would agree with you. A lot of isolationists (conservatives) were against involvement in both World Wars, as they weren’t our issues…obviously Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor changed that. We immediately attacked…Germany. And, if you are saying that secession and slavery were okay with you, not to many people would agree with you on that.
Actually, 3) was death penalty
…but, you can skip that one if you like. There is no clear anti-death penalty side and the Church allows us to support or oppose it.Regarding, embryonic stem cell research…as I said, I hope scientific advancement will make that a non-issue.
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GreenLantern
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Hypothetically, would it be wise to support a politician that would outlaw abortion but would also be a tyrannical fascist and kill all dissidents against him?
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vern_humphrey
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It’s persons and citizens. Not all persons are citizens. Persons are the larger category, citizens are the sub-category.
The way you tell the difference between them is; those persons who are born or naturalized in the United States are citizens.
Other persons are not citizens.
In fact, when it says persons instead of citizens, it addresses non-citizens
No, where it says citizens, it applies to Americans only. But where it says persons it applies to everyone.
Unless you claim we could execute a French tourist without a trial.
Nope. The Ammendment clearly specifies some protections that apply to citizens, others to all persons.
Yes, persons have inherent rights, but citizenship goes beyond this – therefore citizens have more rights in the US than non-citizens.
Note how citizens are differentiated from persons, and how citizens are addressed as having “privileges or immunities.”
And the 14th Amendment spells that out, telling us how to determine which persons are citizens, and while affirming the right to life, liberty and property for all persons, makes special provision for citizens.
Unless, of course, you want to argue that non-citizens are not persons?
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SenorSalsa
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yeah, but i wouldnt have us in the UN either.
Umm, President Polk stationed troops in an area he knew that Mexicans claimed to be thiers. Therefore according to Mexico, we had invaded. Polk knew this, but since he claimed they were our lands, he told congress we were attacked unprovoked, stating “[Mexico] invaded our territory and shed American blood upon the American soil.”
We blamed the explosion of a ship on the Cubans, with no reasonable evidence. And used it to attack, both Cuba and The Phillipines.
right, but Germany and Japan were allies, so to end the war we had to defeat both. the sinking of the Lusitania started American involvement in the first world war, because of the death of Americans.
I dont say slavery is okay(a relatively minor part of the “states rights” the war was really over. Slavery was the flagship of a broader political stance. Secession i have less of a problem. Look at the Decleration of Independence:
America itself claimed that Secession was allowable
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rlg94086
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Umm…that’s why I said it was complicated. We didn’t attack Mexico. We declared a border, they declared a border. The fact that we put troops inside what we claimed and they attacked us makes it a complicated situation…not a black/white “we started it” situation.
Anyway…we are way, way off-topic. My point, which your list of wars reinforced, is that none of the candidates and neither party are anti-war. Thanks for playin’.
We now return to our regularly scheduled discussion about whether or not it is licit for a Catholic to vote for Pro-Choice Candidate.
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SenorSalsa
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I know a candidate who is, he is also very Pro-Life. I voted for him in the Primary, i fear i may not be able to again, as he has not polled particularly wellUmm…that’s why I said it was complicated. We didn’t attack Mexico. We declared a border, they declared a border. The fact that we put troops inside what we claimed and they attacked us makes it a complicated situation…not a black/white “we started it” situation.
Anyway…we are way, way off-topic. My point, which your list of wars reinforced, is that none of the candidates and neither party are anti-war. Thanks for playin’.
We now return to our regularly scheduled discussion about whether or not it is licit for a Catholic to vote for Pro-Choice Candidate.
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