Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

[vern_humphrey]

What I’m hearing is that abortion is the only real life-issue. What I’m seeing is few discussions on euthanasia.

I suggest you’re hearing what you want to hear.

During the Schivo case, there was plenty of debat on the subject. The difference, however, is that hundreds of thousands of people are not being put to death as she was (by being deprived of food and water), while hundreds of thousands of people are being aborted.

If you wish to start a thread on euthanasia, do so – and you’ll see how Catholics defend the old, sick and helpless.

 

[BamaRider]

I’ve been offline for 2 days (tornado took out my grid) and had trying to catch up, but after checkin Ribozyme’s public profile, I was able to see where he’s coming from.

HE THINKS GEORGE SOROS IS GOD, and he’s 18 years old! No wonder LOL :banghead: When I was 18 you couln’t tell me *anything *either

But thankfully the Lord guided him to CAF, and he’s gettin a well rounded education. I’m thinkin I’m gonna print some of his posts and place them in the archives so he can read them when he reaches 35 and been in the real world for at least 10 years.

 

[ribozyme]

But thankfully the Lord guided him to CAF, and he’s gettin a well rounded education. I’m thinkin I’m gonna print some of his posts and place them in the archives so he can read them when he reaches 35 and been in the real world for at least 10 years.

What do you mean I haven’t been exposed to the real world? I bet have read more papers from policy institutes in a week than you have in your lifetime. I know much about the real world.

 

[mlchance]

What do you mean I haven’t been exposed to the real world? I bet have read more papers from policy institutes in a week than you have in your lifetime. I know much about the real world.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[quasimodo]

– Mark L. Chance.

I gotta agree with Mark’s brilliant analysis

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

More in a week than a lifetime? Wow. Do we have a prodigy here? My question is whose policy and what view. Falsehood or truth?
Deacon Ed B

 

[vern_humphrey]

I am reminded of a friend of mine who is a judge. He once said to me, “You wouldn’t believe the things I see in my courtroom.”

And I said, “You better get a new baliff, then.”

And believe it or not, I had to explain to him that hearing (or reading) things is not the same as seeing them.

 

[BamaRider]

What do you mean I haven’t been exposed to the real world? I bet have read more papers from policy institutes in a week than you have in your lifetime. I know much about the real world.

:nope:

 

[vern_humphrey]

It brings to mind Plato’s Allegory of the Cave.

“I know all about the Real World! I watch the shadows conscientiously.”

 

[rlg94086]

But thankfully the Lord guided him to CAF, and he’s gettin a well rounded education. I’m thinkin I’m gonna print some of his posts and place them in the archives so he can read them when he reaches 35 and been in the real world for at least 10 years.

I heartily agree. At 18 years of age, I was an atheist and pro-(or at least sympathetic to) communism. Viewpoints change as you mature and have real-world experience. I pray that the Lord will touch his heart in some way.

 

[Pong]

Oh I get it. He has a different viewpoint, therefore he must be young and naive. It doesn’t matter how much older I get, I personally will never think of abortion as a holocaust or see it as the greatest evil in the world. Ever.

 

[rlg94086]

Oh I get it. He has a different viewpoint, therefore he must be young and naive. It doesn’t matter how much older I get, I personally will never think of abortion as a holocaust or see it as the greatest evil in the world. Ever.

No. He is young and naive, therefore he has a different viewpoint. It may or may not change. Some people stay naive their whole lives.

 

[Melchior]

I wasn’t telling Catholics any such thing. I was commenting on the apparent inability of prolife people to talk about abortion without dragging the holocaust into their arguments.

Valke,

With all due respect, the comparison (of our people’s suffering) is legitimate and I have made it many times. I am not detached, my father’s family (grandparents, cousins, aunts and uncles) all died in the holocaust. These are not identical circumstances, but both are holocausts. And we don’t trivialize one atrocity by comparing it to another, we point out the utter horror of the current and ongoing holocaust of children even now with the Nazi holocaust to show people who see one as an abomination should also see the other the same way.

Mel

 

[vern_humphrey]

Oh I get it. He has a different viewpoint, therefore he must be young and naive. It doesn’t matter how much older I get, I personally will never think of abortion as a holocaust or see it as the greatest evil in the world. Ever.

It must be nice to have a closed mind – keeps you from having to think about problems and revise your opinions when facts are in conflict with belief.

Human life is sacred.

The right to life is the most fundamental of all human rights. Without a right to life, all other rights are valueless. What good does freedom of speech do a dead man? How can a corpse exercise the right to trial by jury?

The right to life accrues to each of us as a part of our basic humanity. It is as much a part of us as our minds, our personalities, or our arms and legs. It is given to us by no one. It is ours merely because we are living human beings.

There are those who say that “society” or the government decides when we get the right to life. If that is so, then it is no right at all, but merely a privilege, for if the government can grant the right to life, it can surely withhold it. Once you accept that the government has this power, you must accept, willy-nilly that the government can decree some people – perhaps Jews, or Blacks or Catholics – never get the right to life.

If, therefore there is such a thing as a right to life, it must accrue to every living human being. This sets up a simple, three-part test.

 Is the unborn child living? If it were not, we would not be having this debate!

 Is it human? Check the DNA. If it has rabbit or squirrel DNA, then it is not human. But if it has human DNA, it is human.

 But is it a being? Check the DNA again. If it has the mother’s DNA, then it is a part of her body. But if it has its own DNA, then it is a being – a separate and distinct human life.

Very clearly, the unborn has the same right to live as any other living human being. ** Who denies that, denies the whole concept of human rights**.

 

[Pong]

It must be nice to have a closed mind – keeps you from having to think about problems and revise your opinions when facts are in conflict with belief.

I figure that since you’ve been living that way, it must not be too bad.

 

[vern_humphrey]

I figure that since you’ve been living that way, it must not be too bad.

You didn’t see me post that my mind is made up and will never change.

Nor did you see me post that I would vomit over the voting machine if my conscience dictated I vote for someone from another party. Nor did you see me post that I HATE a certain party.

 

[mpb74]

Pong’s Signature:

Every reasonable human being should be a moderate socialist.

How can you accuse another of having a closed mind with a philosophy that includes that statement?

Fully 1/4th of American children who were infused with a soul by God at conception, while gestating in the supposed safety of their mother’s womb, have been “legally” hacked to pieces by "“doctor’s” since 1973. This has been done for no other reason than the fact that they would be inconvenient to one or both of the people having sexual relations without being open to the creation of new life. (Also against Catholic teaching). Somewhere around 45 million human beings in the US alone. You don’t think that is a holocaust?

People can fool themselves into feeling that fetuses are not human beings, but that doesn’t change the fact that children are being murdered.

Didn’t Hitler gain power under the guise of moderate socialism? That worked out well, didn’t it. If you’re not sure stop by a local synagouge and ask the worshipers what they think.

When I want to read psychobabble, infantile justifacation of immorality, and silly excuses, I will start reading what political wonks have to say in their policy papers. (Or I could read the NY times, instead of buying it to do crosswords and for wrapping fish.)

When I want the Truth, well lit and out in the open, I will learn sound doctrine, as put forth by the Catholic Church. They seem to have a better handle on moral issues than politicians, wonks, and so called journalists ever will.

 

[ribozyme]

When I want to read psychobabble, infantile justifacation of immorality, and silly excuses, I will start reading what political wonks have to say in their policy papers. (Or I could read the NY times, instead of buying it to do crosswords and for wrapping fish.)

When I want the Truth, well lit and out in the open, I will learn sound doctrine, as put forth by the Catholic Church. They seem to have a better handle on moral issues than politicians, wonks, and so called journalists ever will.

What? I bet that people such as Ezra Klein, Paul Krugman, Robert Kuttner, Robert Reich, Robert Greenstein, and Lawrence Mishel have done much to bring elucidate the real world and rally for the cause of social justice. Robert Greenstein, for example, has done much to reduce poverty in the United States by promoting sound fiscal policy. I do not think your contempt for wonks is justified.

 

[JimG]

Fully 1/4th of American children who were infused with a soul by God at conception, while gestating in the supposed safety of their mother’s womb, have been “legally” hacked to pieces by "“doctor’s” since 1973.

And yet, returning to the thread title, it is inevitable, it seems, that substantial numbers of Catholics will vote for a pro-choice candidate, whatever their reasons. I will not be among them.
But in view of the likelihood of having a pro-choice president and a pro-choice congress, the pro-life movement must focus now on changing hearts—even the hearts of politicians elected on an essentially abortion on demand platform.

Most of the electorate, for whatever reason, is able to contemplate with equanimity the extermination of one fourth of each generation. That is what has to change. I wish I knew how.

 

[BamaRider]

As published in “The Catholic Week” weekly newspaper for the Diocese of Mobile week of Feb 15, 2008- Edited for space.

Pro Life Election Prayer-

"Almighty God, I worship you as my Creator and all that is seen unseen. All Glory and honor is Yours.

Creator of human life, we thank you the tremendous blessings you have bestowed upon our country through the talents of our fellow Americans who do not believe in the Communists and atheistic philosophy that the end justifys the means.

Have mercy on our nation. Stay your hand of justice, which we surely deserve for the destruction of life that is taking place daily as we pray for over 3,000 helpless human beings who will be aborted todday.

Have mercy on us, for the law of our land has allowed 50 million legalized abortions since 1973 when the Supreme Court legislated legal abortion, for all nine months of pregnancy, for any reason.

Turn around the success that the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws has had since 1965, in convincing Americans that it is not a scientific fact the woman’s unborn is a human being, but a religious philosophy which can be debated, have mercy on those who use religious prejudice for financial gain.

We pray for the election of a president, governors, legislatures, and judges who will not be pulled in the potential hype of destructive embryonic stem cell research.

We pray for the election of a president, governors, legislatures and judges who will stop our tax moneys from going to Planned Parenthood, the number one abortion company in America.

We implore You to affect the minds and hearts of voters to vote for the candidates who You know are the best to lead our country out of this disregard for the sanctity of all human life. Amen.

Please remember your words:

If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and will heal their land. ( I Chronicles 7:14