Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

[ProVobis]

I’m curious. For all those that voted Republican in the primaries, did you vote for the most pro-life candidate, the one that has consistently and enthusiastically voted pro-life and anti-violence and has not made any attempts to hide that fact? His name is really irrelevant, if he in fact exists.

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“I am considering voting in the Democratic primary for the candidate that will be easier to defeat in November. Is it a sin to vote for such a candidate since voting is a reflection of our will?”

In my opinion this is pure rationalization. It reminds me of those that vote for a pro-choice candidate in hopes he will change when he gains office.

 

[Namesake]

Pong - Let me remind you, that to be truly Catholic, you must believe all that the Catholic Church believes and teaches. If you do not, you are not Catholic, no matter what you call yourself.

I wonder how many people qualify.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

I would not even hazard a guess. But regardless of the numbers, it still does not alter the fact.
Deacon Ed B

 

[boppaid]

I’ll tell you why I am voting for a pro-choice candidate. I have always been democrat. I agree with all of the democrat’s issues, except with abortion. So, in the Bush/Gore election, I decided that I had to vote for Bush, as he was pro-life. I believe the only good thing he did for the pro-life movement was help ban “partial birth abortion”. Then, I thought about how many people were killed in the senseless war he began. I compared that number to the number of babies saved from his “partial birth abortion” ban. Not many abortions were even partial birth ones anyway. My vote would have been put to much better use, in my opinion, voting for a democrat.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

So in effect you are supporting the party that supports abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, cloning, embryonic stem cell research. Compare all of these plus the loss of life in abortion to the number killed in the war and convince me why I am wrong.
Deacon Ed B

 

[dmelosi]

I’ll tell you why I am voting for a pro-choice candidate. I have always been democrat. I agree with all of the democrat’s issues, except with abortion. So, in the Bush/Gore election, I decided that I had to vote for Bush, as he was pro-life. I believe the only good thing he did for the pro-life movement was help ban “partial birth abortion”. Then, I thought about how many people were killed in the senseless war he began. I compared that number to the number of babies saved from his “partial birth abortion” ban. Not many abortions were even partial birth ones anyway. My vote would have been put to much better use, in my opinion, voting for a democrat.

Why do you neglect to mention the supreme court justices?

Why do you neglect to mention the over 900,000 deaths that Sadaam was responsible for?

Why do you neglect to mention the fact that Sadaam wanted to start his weapons program again?

 

[ProVobis]

So did everyone vote for the most pro-life, anti-violence candidate in the primaries? Or just think they were all the same because they are Republicans?

 

[dmelosi]

So did everyone vote for the most pro-life, anti-violence candidate in the primaries? Or just think they were all the same because they are Republicans?

At least you seperate the two.

So many liberal leaning people lump the 2 both as being pro life.

If it seems that many on here tend to agree with the policies of the republican party on the war, helping those in need, etc, it is because that most tend to believe those that are against murder on demand.

I would bet that 99% of the people here would be voting for the democratic party if their platform was pro life instead of what it is now…pro choice, or abortion on demand.

 

[rlg94086]

At least you seperate the two.

So many liberal leaning people lump the 2 both as being pro life.

If it seems that many on here tend to agree with the policies of the republican party on the war, helping those in need, etc, it is because that most tend to believe those that are against murder on demand.

I would bet that 99% of the people here would be voting for the democratic party if their platform was pro life instead of what it is now…pro choice, or abortion on demand.

I think you would lose that bet. You seem to make a false assumption that, aside from life issues, Democratic Party principles are more in line with the Church than Republican Party principles. I don’t think either party’s plank represents my beliefs 100%, but the Republican Party is much closer than the Democratic Party.

 

[dmelosi]

I think you would lose that bet. You seem to make a false assumption that, aside from life issues, Democratic Party principles are more in line with the Church than Republican Party principles. I don’t think either party’s plank represents my beliefs 100%, but the Republican Party is much closer than the Democratic Party.

And as I stated, if the party platforms on the abortion issue were reversed would you still feel the same?

 

[rlg94086]

And as I stated, if the party platforms on the abortion issue were reversed would you still feel the same?

If it was reversed? Yes. If they were both pro-life (my prayer), then no, I would still be a Republican. Your previous post did not say “reversed.”

Perhaps, I am misunderstanding your previous post, but it appeared that you believe that 99% of Catholic Republicans are only Republican due to pro-life issues. That is what I am disagreeing with you on.

 

[dmelosi]

If it was reversed? Yes. If they were both pro-life (my prayer), then no, I would still be a Republican. Your previous post did not say “reversed.”

Perhaps, I am misunderstanding your previous post, but it appeared that you believe that 99% of Catholic Republicans are only Republican due to pro-life issues. That is what I am disagreeing with you on.

My mistake, to clarify it.

The point I am making is that it seems that most democrats on here make excuses and look for a reason to vote for a democrat by clouding the pro life issue and dumbing down the fact that abortion is murder.

IF the party platforms were reversed and democrats where pro life and republicans were pro choice, most of the republicans on here would continue to vote for the pro-life party…which in that very UNLIKELY scenario, would be the democratic party.

 

[rlg94086]

My mistake, to clarify it.

The point I am making is that it seems that most democrats on here make excuses and look for a reason to vote for a democrat by clouding the pro life issue and dumbing down the fact that abortion is murder.

IF the party platforms were reversed and democrats where pro life and republicans were pro choice, most of the republicans on here would continue to vote for the pro-life party…which in that very UNLIKELY scenario, would be the democratic party.

 

[stringbeanduck]

I’ll tell you why I am voting for a pro-choice candidate. I have always been democrat. I agree with all of the democrat’s issues, except with abortion. So, in the Bush/Gore election, I decided that I had to vote for Bush, as he was pro-life. I believe the only good thing he did for the pro-life movement was help ban “partial birth abortion”. Then, I thought about how many people were killed in the senseless war he began. I compared that number to the number of babies saved from his “partial birth abortion” ban. Not many abortions were even partial birth ones anyway. My vote would have been put to much better use, in my opinion, voting for a democrat.

I think thats a bad excuse to vote for a pro-choice candidate. Its amazing that there are Catholics who will shove aside a baby’s life so they can get the troops out.

 

[Aramis]

Given the record of the Republican candidates for State Government in Alaska, not a one of them has shown themselves to be terribly pro-life… Some have openly been pro-abortion…

 

[Boudreaux0830]

My mistake, to clarify it.

The point I am making is that it seems that most democrats on here make excuses and look for a reason to vote for a democrat by clouding the pro life issue and dumbing down the fact that abortion is murder.

I am a pro-life democrat. Yea, oxy moron i know.

Well, it’s true. I absolutely reject all of the beliefs of the Republican party and honestly feel that the Dems have a better plan.

The truth about abortion is that most voters are pro-choice for the 1st 3 months, then support drops a bit for the 2nd trimester, and in the final one there’s very little support. Most voters feel that once a baby can live w/o mom then it’s entitled to a right to life.

Even though we know that from conception it’s human and abortion is murder, the bottom line is that the Republican party had a great chance to fix this problem when they dominated the house, senate, and the white house for 6 years. The Republican party sells their vote to most of pro-life america on the abortion issue alone. But again, if they were going to fix the problem, then they would have done more than just ban partial birth during the peak of Premier Bush’s term.

Voting Republican solely based on their supposed pro-life stance is like voting for any politician because that politician said he was honest.

The number of Catholics who are pro-choice is surprising though. Many of them just never even think about the issue.

 

[dmelosi]

I am a pro-life democrat. Yea, oxy moron i know.

Well, it’s true. I absolutely reject all of the beliefs of the Republican party and honestly feel that the Dems have a better plan.

The truth about abortion is that most voters are pro-choice for the 1st 3 months, then support drops a bit for the 2nd trimester, and in the final one there’s very little support. Most voters feel that once a baby can live w/o mom then it’s entitled to a right to life.

Even though we know that from conception it’s human and abortion is murder, the bottom line is that the Republican party had a great chance to fix this problem when they dominated the house, senate, and the white house for 6 years. The Republican party sells their vote to most of pro-life america on the abortion issue alone. But again, if they were going to fix the problem, then they would have done more than just ban partial birth during the peak of Premier Bush’s term.

Voting Republican solely based on their supposed pro-life stance is like voting for any politician because that politician said he was honest.

The number of Catholics who are pro-choice is surprising though. Many of them just never even think about the issue.

I agree that the number of Catholics who are pro-choice is suprising, but you have fallen into the same trap.

2 HUGE holes in what you say.

They did much more than ban partial birth abortion, they nominated and fought hard for 2 supreme court nominees. The issue that caused the fight was the pro life one.

The democratic party platform states very clearly that it is for abortion on demand. They pulled out everything they could to keep the nominations from moving forward on the abortion issue alone.

The republican party platform states very clearly that it is against abortion. They fought very hard to secure the nominations on the abortion issue alone.

Not sure how you left this most important fact out. Plus, I don’t see you condemning your party anywhere in this post for their party platform.

What are some of the beliefs that the Dems have a better plan on?

 

[Jeff_KC]

“All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
– Edmund Burke

Well Vern, we got one quote from Jesus, one from Edmund Burke. You make your choice, I’ll make mine.

 

[mary_bobo]

At least you seperate the two.

So many liberal leaning people lump the 2 both as being pro life.

If it seems that many on here tend to agree with the policies of the republican party on the war, helping those in need, etc, it is because that most tend to believe those that are against murder on demand.

I would bet that 99% of the people here would be voting for the democratic party if their platform was pro life instead of what it is now…pro choice, or abortion on demand.

Me thinks you exaggerate!

 

[mary_bobo]

What the U.S. presidential candidates ‘say’ is irrelevant. All politicians, to some degree or another, will propose their positions in a manner that they believe will best suit the purpose of getting elected. When we analyze what they say, we will either be mislead, or confused, as evidenced by some comments on this thread.

Fortunately, all ‘major’ presidential candidates have a record. Their record is extremely pertinent because it shows us with much more clarity what they have done, and very likely will continue to do. In the are of life issues, candidates have remarkably consistency.

If you examine the voting records and other actions of the candidates, shart differences in their respect for innocent human life will be obvious.

Sincerely,

Dan Grelinger

But, Dan, you are asking people to do their homework. Many, too many, are too lazy to do that. It’s much easier to spout the party line, whichever side it is, than to seriously look at the issues and the stances the various candidates have taken in the past. Campaign rhetoric is just that–rhetoric.