Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

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SenorSalsa said:
What about my argument that the Nat. Govt has no business dictating something like Abortion, they overstepped that boundary with Roe v. Wade. I would like to see that desicion overturned with the outcome of it is up to the states to decide if or what abortions should be legal.

I am also not saying it is less important than other issues, just that im not gonna vote for a Candidate who wants to invade Poland, no matter how pro-life he is. I will vote for a candidate who i agree with on all(or worst case a large majority) of the issues
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Oh, I get it now. You are only pro-life for certain lives, not all. If you can find a candidate you can agree with on all things, I think you don’t understand the situation.🙂
 
We need to focus on the candidate that will put judges on the Supreme Court that understand the unborn are being denied the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 
buffalo said:
Vern makes a great point here. If we had not let this get so far out of hand we would have had better choices. Be that as it may, we must incrementally take it back step by step in the same way we let it go. We cannot be apathetic.
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We still have a good choice! And that choice needs to be heard not ignored by the Catholic Community!
 
mary_bobo said:
Oh, I get it now. You are only pro-life for certain lives, not all. If you can find a candidate you can agree with on all things, I think you don’t understand the situation.🙂
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Not quite sure what you are meaning here Mary. I think we pro-lifers are usually pro-life for everyone. I remember Pope John Paul II saying the US is a society of death, or something like that. I agree. What is different in those voting only for a pro-life/anti-abortion candidate is that we want to do all we can do to protect the most innocent, those who are absolutley helpless to help themselves. 🙂 Peace.
 
Phil53 said-
Ah, therein lies the problem. My party is/was the Democratic Party. It doesn’t exist anymore
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No it doesnt’t. The party JFK was a member went extinct sometime in the late 60s. If he were alive today, what party do you think he would be a member of? And WHO knows what happened to his brother.
 
BamaRider said:
Phil53 said-

No it doesnt’t. The party JFK was a member went extinct sometime in the late 60s. If he were alive today, what party do you think he would be a member of? And WHO knows what happened to his brother.
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JFK is my hero. I think if he had to step in and run for the Presidency today, he would start his own party. He would take the good of each of the parties we now have and use those points to form the best government he possibly could. 👍 Peace.
 
Just some simple questions that none of you have to answer on line. Ask yourselves the following. 1. Do I pray for my nation? 2. Do I pray for those in positions of leadership to make decisions based on true moral teachings: 3. Do I vote for candidates who support anything against the teaching of the Catholic Church? 5. Do I live what I professes I believe? Your answers will tell you much about yourself.
Deacon Ed B
 
I am also not saying it is less important than other issues, just that im not gonna vote for a Candidate who wants to invade Poland, no matter how pro-life he is. I will vote for a candidate who i agree with on all(or worst case a large majority) of the issues
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Now c’mon brother, who has ever said they wanted to invade Poland? But I’ll go along with the premise, if a pro life guy wanted to do that, I’d take a second look.

I find it sad, and I try not to get disheartened at the fact, my pro life vote is being cancelled out by a fellow Catholic, probably a guy sitting on the same pew with me, that views a hike in MW or “free” healthcare as more important. The abortion issue is roughly 50-50 in the country. Being cancelled out by secular voter is one thing, but being canceled by fellow a Catholic is just sad. Am I wrong to look a it through* that *prism?

Like any family, Catholics should debate among ourselves the social and foreign issues facing our country. I’m more than glad to do that, and in the areana of ideas, hope my agenda prevails, but I know that is not always gonna happen. But when it comes to abortion, there can be NO debate. We ARE Catholic. I wish ALL of us would stand strong, and go in there and vote in ONE voice and send a message, “We are NOT gonna put up with this ANYMORE. A pro choice candidate in ANY party can NOT get elected dog catcher in the country, because 50 million Catholics will vote with ONE voice.”

It will be a grand day, when BOTH candidates are pro life, and we can move on to the other issues we feel strongly about. That is not gonna change till oneday in the Democratic party someone says, “Catholics are voting in en mass the other way, and controlling the election, we have to run a pro life guy to have any chance.” And then you will see progress, but until then, those of us they do vote pro life, will have to stand with our Evangelical brothers (who overwhelmingly vote pro life) and work to change things.

It is a sad state when we hear from our fellow Christians, “yanno if ALL you Catholics voted pro life, we could change things.” I can tell y’all in my neck of the woods, the Protestants DO vote pro life in overwhelming numbers. I don’t have the percentages, but it is obvious in the closeness of elections ALOT of Catholics vote pro choice candidates.

Already a few pro life, southern dems have been elected to the House, but they are also social conservatives, and more often then not break ranks with Pelosi and Harry. So there is hope in the years ahead they can wrest power from the current leadership. So there is hope.
 
mary_bobo said:
Oh, I get it now. You are only pro-life for certain lives, not all. If you can find a candidate you can agree with on all things, I think you don’t understand the situation.🙂
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Nope, pro-life in all cases, abortion, death pnealty, war, etc. However no one of those is more important than the other. And yes i do understand the situation. I strongly supported Ron Paul(and voted for him with my first ever vote in the Florida Primary), however he is out, and i will have to search again. Ron Paul was adamantly pro-life(used to be a Gynocologist, never saw the need for an abortion in over 40,000 births), He was adamant about bringing our army home, not just from Iraq, but all overseas areas where their presence was useless. He was a nearly perfect candidate for my views
 
SenorSalsa said:
Nope, pro-life in all cases, abortion, death pnealty, war, etc. However no one of those is more important than the other. And yes i do understand the situation. I strongly supported Ron Paul(and voted for him with my first ever vote in the Florida Primary), however he is out, and i will have to search again. Ron Paul was adamantly pro-life(used to be a Gynocologist, never saw the need for an abortion in over 40,000 births), He was adamant about bringing our army home, not just from Iraq, but all overseas areas where their presence was useless. He was a nearly perfect candidate for my views
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The term pro life has meant anti abortion until those that wanted to ease their conscience made it mean other things.

The most innocent and the most in numbers are murderd by abortion, yet you say none is more important than the other.

That to me is amazing.
 
Ron Paul believes that the Federal Government should stay out of the decision of Roe v. Wade and send it back to the states. I do not think this is the best way to deal with a decision that should not have been made in the first place.

By the way, I thought we were not allowed to mention candidates. I’m not sure that Ron Paul has totally given up on being President.
 
Hey guys you’re likely to get this thread closed if you keep mentioning candidate names, talk about them, ect… I did it once found it deleted the next day. :o

Its in the rules.
 
BamaRider said:
Now c’mon brother, who has ever said they wanted to invade Poland? But I’ll go along with the premise, if a pro life guy wanted to do that, I’d take a second look.

I find it sad, and I try not to get disheartened at the fact, my pro life vote is being cancelled out by a fellow Catholic, probably a guy sitting on the same pew with me, that views a hike in MW or “free” healthcare as more important. The abortion issue is roughly 50-50 in the country. Being cancelled out by secular voter is one thing, but being canceled by fellow a Catholic is just sad. Am I wrong to look a it through* that *prism?

Like any family, Catholics should debate among ourselves the social and foreign issues facing our country. I’m more than glad to do that, and in the areana of ideas, hope my agenda prevails, but I know that is not always gonna happen. But when it comes to abortion, there can be NO debate. We ARE Catholic. I wish ALL of us would stand strong, and go in there and vote in ONE voice and send a message, “We are NOT gonna put up with this ANYMORE. A pro choice candidate in ANY party can NOT get elected dog catcher in the country, because 50 million Catholics will vote with ONE voice.”

It will be a grand day, when BOTH candidates are pro life, and we can move on to the other issues we feel strongly about. That is not gonna change till oneday in the Democratic party someone says, “Catholics are voting in en mass the other way, and controlling the election, we have to run a pro life guy to have any chance.” And then you will see progress, but until then, those of us they do vote pro life, will have to stand with our Evangelical brothers (who overwhelmingly vote pro life) and work to change things.

It is a sad state when we hear from our fellow Christians, “yanno if ALL you Catholics voted pro life, we could change things.” I can tell y’all in my neck of the woods, the Protestants DO vote pro life in overwhelming numbers. I don’t have the percentages, but it is obvious in the closeness of elections ALOT of Catholics vote pro choice candidates.

Already a few pro life, southern dems have been elected to the House, but they are also social conservatives, and more often then not break ranks with Pelosi and Harry. So there is hope in the years ahead they can wrest power from the current leadership. So there is hope.
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You are quite wrong about the country being split 50-50 on abortion. Read your latest polling. It’s more like 65-35 in favor. If you eliminate any candidate soley on the issue of abortion, then you are not following in any way the proper analysis suggested for Catholic voters. And by the way, a majority of Catholics vote as other normal people do. There is but a tiny fringe of evangelical, right wing fundamentalist Catholics who vote with other evangelical fundamentalists. Most evangelicals, while pro-life do not vote this as a single issue deal breaker. They vote all issues as is proper in my opinion and there is a grassroots movement to turn away from this two issue nonsense of abortion/gay marriage as the only two worthy issues. There are so many issues, and its embarassing to see some people stuck inn this unnatural alliance with fundie tv-evangelist followers.
 
SpiritMeadow said:
They vote all issues as is proper in my opinion and there is a grassroots movement to turn away from this two issue nonsense of abortion/gay marriage as the only two worthy issues. There are so many issues, and its embarassing to see some people stuck inn this unnatural alliance with fundie tv-evangelist followers.
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One tiny correction. We do not hold to just these two issues as you say. We, as Catholics believe and teach as a matter of faith and morals, that there are five non-negotiable issues. They are abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research and cloning. If you are accusing us of something, get it right.
Deacon Ed B
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
One tiny correction. We do not hold to just these two issues as you say. We, as Catholics believe and teach as a matter of faith and morals, that there are five non-negotiable issues. They are abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research and cloning. If you are accusing us of something, get it right.
Deacon Ed B
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Five non-negotiables as determined by whom? A lay-ministry with no magisterial authority?

I don’t disagree with any of these issues being of highest priority, I just think that there are more than the ones selected to ensure that Catholics vote Republican only.
 
You are quite wrong about the country being split 50-50 on abortion. Read your latest polling. It’s more like 65-35 in favor. If you eliminate any candidate soley on the issue of abortion, then you are not following in any way the proper analysis suggested for Catholic voters. And by the way, a majority of Catholics vote as other normal people do. There is but a tiny fringe of evangelical, right wing fundamentalist Catholics who vote with other evangelical fundamentalists. Most evangelicals, while pro-life do not vote this as a single issue deal breaker. They vote all issues as is proper in my opinion and there is a grassroots movement to turn away from this two issue nonsense of abortion/gay marriage as the only two worthy issues. There are so many issues, and its embarassing to see some people stuck inn this unnatural alliance with fundie tv-evangelist followers.
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Now I dunno about Iowa, but in the Bible Belt of the deep south, Protestants overwhemling vote pro life. The results speak for themselves.

If we voted pro life with the same percentages of our Protestant brothers, real progress could be made. I take exception to voting Pro Life first as “nonsense.” If that aligns me with Evangelicals, so be it brother. I wish I could align with you, but you’re NOT gonna have that, because you’re worried about other issues. “Hey doesn’t matter he just appointed a LIFETIME judge to the supreme court, and will sign into law the stem cell law as soon as it hits his desk, no don’t worry about that, he’s got a social program gonna solve ALL our woes!”

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And by the way, a majority of Catholics vote as other normal people do. There is but a tiny fringe of evangelical, right wing fundamentalist Catholics who vote with other evangelical fundamentalists
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So what you’re tellin us, Catholics who let the Pro Life issue guide their vote, are NOT normal? 😦

Like I mentioned many posts ago, some will spin a pro choic vote any number of ways, and go to any length to provide cover for the pro choice candidate.

Such Catholics are more liberal, then they are pro life. The only thing it can be.
 
mary_bobo said:
IMO there is not a conservative running this year.
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Mary, There is a conservative who has not quit the race. He is both a moral and a social conservative. You won’t find his name on every list of GOP presidential candidates because of the grave injustice that has been done regarding the ignoring of his presidential campaign, but he is listed among the candidates on the website of race42008
 
My definition of pro-life includes caring for the poor, funding education and after school programs to keep kids out of gangs, support for affordable housing, job training, treatment for substance abuse instead of jail, fund the social services so that there are enough social workers to investigate cases of child abuse and to make sure foster home situations aren’t abusive, in other words - an all out attack on poverty because if there is one thing that leads to death and destruction, it is poverty. You can’t just dump the child on the street the moment he/she is born. We have homeless kids in this country - they live on the streets. Yet the pro-live party cuts social programs at every opportunity - if it bothers to fund them at all. Some are going to say that this isn’t government’s role. We, these are kids. They can’t help themselves, so who’s going to do it? If it isn’t government’s place to help make sure they have the basic necessities then what makes you think it’s government’s place to make sure they are born? Please understand that I am speaking very generally when I use the term pro-life movement. I am not implying that no pro-life folks care about kids, that none work to help them - and I’m certainly not talking about anyone on this forum. I’m just telling you what I see as the realities about the overall pro-life movement and the Republican’s social policies. I would have a lot more sympathy with the pro-life folks if they spent half the energy on the welfare of the born children as they do the unborn. 😦
 
Swan said:
My definition of pro-life includes caring for the poor, funding education and after school programs to keep kids out of gangs, support for affordable housing, job training, treatment for substance abuse instead of jail, fund the social services so that there are enough social workers to investigate cases of child abuse and to make sure foster home situations aren’t abusive, in other words - an all out attack on poverty because if there is one thing that leads to death and destruction, it is poverty. You can’t just dump the child on the street the moment he/she is born. We have homeless kids in this country - they live on the streets. Yet the pro-live party cuts social programs at every opportunity - if it bothers to fund them at all. Some are going to say that this isn’t government’s role. We, these are kids. They can’t help themselves, so who’s going to do it? If it isn’t government’s place to help make sure they have the basic necessities then what makes you think it’s government’s place to make sure they are born? Please understand that I am speaking very generally when I use the term pro-life movement. I am not implying that no pro-life folks care about kids, that none work to help them - and I’m certainly not talking about anyone on this forum. I’m just telling you what I see as the realities about the overall pro-life movement and the Republican’s social policies. I would have a lot more sympathy with the pro-life folks if they spent half the energy on the welfare of the born children as they do the unborn. 😦
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There are many who change the meaning of pro life like you try to do, the ones so stuck on their political party that they make every excuse possilbe to ignore the fact that abortion is murder and continue to help the erosion of every changing abortion on demand.
 
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