Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

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Five non-negotiables as determined by whom? A lay-ministry with no magisterial authority?

I don’t disagree with any of these issues being of highest priority, I just think that there are more than the ones selected to ensure that Catholics vote Republican only.
The problem is that so many don’t follow church teaching. The church teaching has never changed on these issues.

It is so very obvious and I cannot understand how so many cannot see where the political parties stand. The blindness from so many on here to make every excuse imaginable to stick with a pro death party is amazing to me.

It is not the Catholic church that is selecting priorities, it is the democratic party going more and more away from the church teachings. So many hang on to what it used to be.
 
Hi Swan,
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 Caring for the poor, funding education, support for affordable housing, job training, treatment for substance abuse, and funding for social services are all noble promises.  However, these promises come at a very high price, a price that is too high to pay.  It has been estimated that 45-50 million innocent babies have been slaughtered through abortion.  Those advocating abortion would have us believe it is painless, that the fetus is not self-aware.  This is one of the reasons God confers Private Revelations.  Through these invaluable communications of God, He provides supplementary knowledge and truths.

 For example, through visions of Sister Agnes Sasagawa in Akita Japan (full Church Approval from Local Bishop Ito and Cardinal Ratzinger in 1988), God communicated that these abortions are very painful to the unborn. Sister Agnes suffered these pains, and those near her depicted it as agonizing.  While suffering, she cried out repeatedly in a loud voice: “Mommy, no!”  We learned through her, that the unborn babies are well aware they are being killed, and desperately desire to live.

 Jesus told the Jews: “Do not think that I will condemn you before the Father.  The one who will accuse you is Moses.” John 5:45.  Through other Private Revelations, we learn that the propagators of the unholy silent massacre will be accused before Our Holy Father, “by a sea of multitudes, further than the eye can see, of these slaughtered innocents.  And those accused will be mortified with indescribable terror.”  When you vote, consider that; often bad qualities can outweigh the good qualities.  And we have to make a moral decision.  Please, consider the innocent lives of those who have no voice, but what has been communicated to us through God.
God Bless
 
Five non-negotiables as determined by whom? A lay-ministry with no magisterial authority?

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This was determined by the USCCB. That stands for the United States Council of Catholic Bishops. Last I heard, they were still part of the Magisterium.
Deacon Ed B
 
The problem is that so many don’t follow church teaching. The church teaching has never changed on these issues.

It is so very obvious and I cannot understand how so many cannot see where the political parties stand. The blindness from so many on here to make every excuse imaginable to stick with a pro death party is amazing to me.

It is not the Catholic church that is selecting priorities, it is the democratic party going more and more away from the church teachings. So many hang on to what it used to be.
And now the Republican Party has abandoned moral values.
 
My definition of pro-life includes caring for the poor, funding education and after school programs to keep kids out of gangs, support for affordable housing, job training, treatment for substance abuse instead of jail, fund the social services so that there are enough social workers to investigate cases of child abuse and to make sure foster home situations aren’t abusive, in other words - an all out attack on poverty because if there is one thing that leads to death and destruction, it is poverty. You can’t just dump the child on the street the moment he/she is born. We have homeless kids in this country - they live on the streets. Yet the pro-live party cuts social programs at every opportunity - if it bothers to fund them at all. Some are going to say that this isn’t government’s role. We, these are kids. They can’t help themselves, so who’s going to do it? If it isn’t government’s place to help make sure they have the basic necessities then what makes you think it’s government’s place to make sure they are born? Please understand that I am speaking very generally when I use the term pro-life movement. I am not implying that no pro-life folks care about kids, that none work to help them - and I’m certainly not talking about anyone on this forum. I’m just telling you what I see as the realities about the overall pro-life movement and the Republican’s social policies. I would have a lot more sympathy with the pro-life folks if they spent half the energy on the welfare of the born children as they do the unborn. 😦
Do what? I’m not gonna address each issue, but when has any govt agency kicked a child out on the street? Just bursted into a shelter or whatever, " Ok, get outta here, here’s a blanket, fend for youself," to some 6 year old? Where do the parents come into play? You make it sound like there are thousands of starving kids left to wither away. I don’t see it. Any child needing help, is going to get cared for if attention is brought to him/her. No govt agency is gonna allow that to happen. Everyday children are taken from worthless parents, and given proper care. What you are describing is just not true. If that happens it is NOT the govts fault, but the parents, all they had to do was tell someone.

NO American President, party, agency is gonna allow that to happen, or have any part of it. Call me optimistic, but that is what I believe.

You mention a all out attack on poverty. For crying out loud where ya been?, President Johnson already did that in the 1960s, declaring a “war on poverty” the likes the world has NEVER seen. Price tag on his “Great Society?” From this URL

political-resources.com/misc/welfare.htm
  • a quote from the URL- "Between 1965 and 1997, welfare spending cost taxpayers $6.98 Trillion (in constant 1997 dollars). After adjusting for inflation, the cost of the War on Poverty has been more than twice the price tag for defeating Germany and Japan in World War II.
“The $6.98 Trillion cost of the War on Poverty nearly equals the entire cost of the private-sector industrial and business infrastructure of the U.S. For $6.98 Trillion one could purchase every factory and all the manufacturing equipment, with enough money left over to purchase every airline, railroad, trucking firm, the entire commercial maritime fleet, every telephone, television, and radio company, every power company, every hotel, and every retail and wholesale store in the nation”

Incidentally, $6.98 Trillion would be more than enough money to give every welfare family a cash payoff of a million bucks. It would have also paid 6,980,000 skilled trade union jobs for 25 years*.

Those figures are through 1997, you can add another 10 to the numbers. Bill Moyers is NOT gonna report that.

But here is the biggest difference in our views. I don’t want to see anyone mistreated, you and I may have different views on how to help those in need, and I fully support, taking care of those in true need. We can debate how we do that all night.

But as Catholics there can be NO debate on abortion. We all agree it is murder, and despicable. I agree with you we need to feed the hungry etc. how we go about that is open for discussion, but the morality of abortion is not. Now I ask you, how do we defeat abortion, if you are NOT willingly to do it at the polls? How do you reverse abortion, at the same time embolding a party that wants unfettered, on demand abortions the rule of the land? If you got a better idea then voting OUT enablers, we’d like to hear it.

If you’re gonna argue we need to change the hearts of people, I’ll agree with ya, but to do that you HAVE TO HAVE credibility.

Basically what you’re telling us, you’re gonna vote for a pro choice guy, because he’s gonna put X number of dollars in the food stamp program instead C? 🤷
 
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Deacon Ed B
 
Hi,
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 Thank you Deacon Ed B, and I wish a Blessed Easter for all.

 Again, I believe that Dr. Dobson has the right strategy.  There are 77 million Roman Catholics in the United States.  If all these Roman Catholics agreed to vote Pro-Life, both major parties would be forced to run Pro-Life candidates.

 If all Catholics were on the same page, we would be determining the qualifiers.  It is the few egoistical Catholics, who can be induced with a few carrots to turn a blind eye to the Silent Holocaust, that makes this so difficult.  It reminds me of the proverb: “A few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch”, or how “A drop of bad milk can spoil the whole vat”.  It seems that the “me” generation has infiltrated the Church.
God Bles
 
Hi,
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 Again, I believe that Dr. Dobson has the right strategy.  There are 77 million Roman Catholics in the United States.  If all these Roman Catholics agreed to vote Pro-Life, both major parties would be forced to run Pro-Life candidates.
As much as I would love to see this, it will never happen. Perhaps enough Catholics and Evangelical Protestants combined could do this. I think this would be more likely. They feel strongly about this also.
Deacon Ed B
 
As much as I would love to see this, it will never happen. Perhaps enough Catholics and Evangelical Protestants combined could do this. I think this would be more likely. They feel strongly about this also.
Deacon Ed B
It is with a deep sense of shame that I acknowledge that many Evangelical Protestant churches stand solidly against abortion, while Catholics offer the pro-abortionists so much support.
 
It is with a deep sense of shame that I acknowledge that many Evangelical Protestant churches stand solidly against abortion, while Catholics offer the pro-abortionists so much support.
That fact saddens me too. But not all of the Catholic Candidates fit that mold. There is one that we can be truly proud of.
 
It is with a deep sense of shame that I acknowledge that many Evangelical Protestant churches stand solidly against abortion, while Catholics offer the pro-abortionists so much support.
Vern, I feel the same way you do. I don’t know what to do about it, other than to pray. And when I have the opportunity, I definitely do speak out against abortion and the other four non-negotiables. I have done that on at least three occasions so far this year alone. . I am not bashful where my beloved faith is concerned. Blessings and prayers my friend.
Deacon Ed B
 
That fact saddens me too. But not all of the Catholic Candidates fit that mold. There is one that we can be truly proud of.
Do y’all realize that we have had four postings in a row where we all totally agree. Either we are making progress or others are still asleep.
Deacon Ed B
 
That fact saddens me too. But not all of the Catholic Candidates fit that mold. There is one that we can be truly proud of.
Our problem is we have not worked hard enough for that candidate, early enough.

At the same time, there are many Catholics in politics who are the exact opposite – and many of our fellow Catholics support these people.
 
Our problem is we have not worked hard enough for that candidate, early enough.

At the same time, there are many Catholics in politics who are the exact opposite – and many of our fellow Catholics support these people.
Vern,
I don’t think it is totally our fault for not working hard enough. I think the problem is much larger than that. Why give up sooner than need be?
 
Vern,
I don’t think it is totally our fault for not working hard enough.
Whose fault is it, then?
I think the problem is much larger than that.
We aren’t working hard enough. That’s large enough!
Why give up sooner than need be?
Who’s given up?

The difference is that some of us are not willing to face reality – the fact that we have to vote for the lesser of two evils is our punishment for not working hard enough, early enough.
 
Hi Vern,
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 Our 100% Pro-Life candidate is out.  Now America will have to choose between a 75% Pro-Life candidate or a 100% Pro-Death candidate.
God Bless
 
Hi Vern,
Code:
 Our 100% Pro-Life candidate is out.  Now America will have to choose between a 75% Pro-Life candidate or a 100% Pro-Death candidate.
God Bless
That is our punishment for not working hard enough to push 100% pro-life candidates early enough.
 
Yes they do … which is why abortion will continue to flourish for as long as Catholics like yourself continue to enable it.

Ender
Yes I am well aware that I stand with a majority of Catholics on this issue. We believe that it is inappropriate to force others to abide by the beliefs we hold. We will try mightily to convince them, but I personally do draw the line at forcing others to abide by Catholic beliefs. You of course realize that your kind of enforcement falls disproportionately upon poor women. The rich always will get their abortion, the plane fare is not beyond their means. The poor are left to the take their chances with the back alley practitioners.
 
Hi Vern,
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 Our 100% Pro-Life candidate is out.  Now America will have to choose between a 75% Pro-Life candidate or a 100% Pro-Death candidate.
God Bless
I don’t know what 100% pro-life candidate you are talking about that is out of the race. None of the previous leading candidates were 100% pro-life, not when they support private funding of embryonic stem cell research.
 
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