Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses? Part 2

[mathonihah]

I quoted the KJV to you. My answer has not changed. You, on the other hand have thus far refused to answer, taking every dodge you can find. I’m not interested in playing games.

Okay, I will answer your question anyway, even though you did not answer mine. The answer is given in section 98 of the Doctrine and Covenants, verses 23 to 48. It is a long section, but if you read it carefully, you will find that it explains that by the “third and fourth generation” is meant those who hate God and disobey his laws. Children tend to adopt and follow the beliefs an behavioral patterns of their parents. When they do that, then they suffer the consequences, even though to some degree it is not entirely their fault, but the fault of their fathers who inculcated those beliefs an behavioral patterns in them. However, if those “children, and children’s children …” Come to a realization of their wrong, and repent, they will be forgiven, and God will no longer punish them. That is the message that comes across in section 98. The account given in the Exodus 34:6-7 is too brief, and the detail is missing. Hope that has answered your question.

 

[kimg901]

Okay, I will answer your question anyway, even though you did not answer mine. The answer is given in section 98 of the Doctrine and Covenants, verses 23 to 48. It is a long section, but if you read it carefully, you will find that it explains that by the “third and fourth generation” is meant those who hate God and disobey his laws. Children tend to adopt and follow the beliefs an behavioral patterns of their parents. When they do that, then the suffer the consequences, even though to some degree it is not entirely their fault, but the fault of their fathers who inculcated those beliefs an behavioral patterns in them. However, if those “children, and children’s children …” Come to a realization of their wrong, and repent, they will be forgiven, and God will no longer punish them. That is the message that comes across in section 98. The account given in the Bible is too brief, and the detail is missing. Hope that has answered your question.

Im sorry but your asking them to read from your D&C? A little biased? Put down your book of mormon, d&c, journal of discourses, pearls of something and just read from a bible. Not the KJV; mormon edition too. To us, your lds books are worthless, nothing but stories and lies to deceive the masses.

 

[mathonihah]

Im sorry but your asking them to read from your D&C? A little biased? Put down your book of mormon, d&c, journal of discourses, pearls of something and just read from a bible. Not the KJV; mormon edition too. To us, your lds books are worthless, nothing but stories and lies to deceive the masses.

I am a Mormon, and my beliefs are found in Mormon scripture and revelation, which includes the Book of Mormon, the D&C, as well as the Bible. And when people ask me for an explanation of my beliefs, I refer them to the sources from which they are derived. Have a good day.

 

[TheIrishman]

I am a Mormon, and my beliefs are found in Mormon scripture and revelation, which includes the Book of Mormon, the D&C, as well as the Bible. And when people ask me for an explanation of my beliefs, I refer them to the sources from which they are derived. Have a good day.

Which would bring up the underlying question. Is Mormon scripture and the revelations that follow from God or Satan?

 

[mathonihah]

Which would bring up the underlying question. Is Mormon scripture and the revelations that follow from God or Satan?

That is beside the point. The fact remains that my beliefs are derived from those sources, regardless of where they come from—God or Satan. And when people ask me for an explanation of my beliefs, I refer them to the sources from which they are derived.

 

[zaffiroborant]

I am a Mormon, and my beliefs are found in Mormon scripture and revelation, which includes the Book of Mormon, the D&C, as well as the Bible. And when people ask me for an explanation of my beliefs, I refer them to the sources from which they are derived. Have a good day.

So then you really don’t understand your own beliefs since you are unable to put them in your own words. Got it.

 

[mathonihah]

So then you really don’t understand your own beliefs since you are unable to put them in your own words. Got it.

That is a dumb comment, because I did put them in my own words, as well as providing the source reference from which they are derived.

 

[TheIrishman]

That is beside the point. The fact remains that my beliefs are derived from those sources, regardless of where they come from—God or Satan. And when people ask me for an explanation of my beliefs, I refer them to the sources from which they are derived.

That actually is the point. If a source is from a false source (lets say a liar), that would make the source invalid and would hold no water.

Its the difference between truth and a lie. If the source of the LDS church is God and is right then everything you say and explain would become valid. But if it’s a source from Satan than everything you say and explain becomes wrong and invalid.

So where the source is derived from is very important.

 

[mathonihah]

That actually is the point. If a source is from a false source (lets say a liar), that would make the source invalid and would hold no water.

Its the difference between truth and a lie. If the source of the LDS church is God and is right then everything you say and explain would become valid. But if it’s a source from Satan than everything you say and explain becomes wrong and invalid.

So where the source is derived from is very important.

Wrong! That is an idiotic comment. The Book of Mormon could be a lie. It could be from Satan. It could come from anywhere you like. The fact remains it is one of the sources of my beliefs, therefore I reference it as a source of my beliefs. You can believe what you like about the Book of Mormon, but it is utterly stupid to tell a Mormon that he should not reference it as a source of his beliefs.

 

[lax16]

Wrong! That is an idiotic comment. The Book of Mormon could be a lie. It could be from Satan. It could come from anywhere you like. The fact remains it is one of the sources of my beliefs, therefore I reference it as a source of my beliefs. You can believe what you like about the Book of Mormon, but it is utterly stupid to tell a Mormon that he should not reference it as a source of his beliefs.

Hello mathonihah - Do you believe it Is possible that the Bible could be a lie and could be from Satan?

Also, how does the Book of Mormon tie in to Mormon beliefs - there are many contradictions between what the BoM says and what Mormons actually believe.

thanks!

 

[TexanKnight]

Okay, I will answer your question anyway, even though you did not answer mine. The answer is given in section 98 of the Doctrine and Covenants, verses 23 to 48. It is a long section, but if you read it carefully, you will find that it explains that by the “third and fourth generation” is meant those who hate God and disobey his laws. Children tend to adopt and follow the beliefs an behavioral patterns of their parents. When they do that, then they suffer the consequences, even though to some degree it is not entirely their fault, but the fault of their fathers who inculcated those beliefs an behavioral patterns in them. However, if those “children, and children’s children …” Come to a realization of their wrong, and repent, they will be forgiven, and God will no longer punish them. That is the message that comes across in section 98. The account given in the Exodus 34:6-7 is too brief, and the detail is missing. Hope that has answered your question.

D&C is not an answer. It is mere ramblings from a convicted con man.

 

[TexanKnight]

That is beside the point. The fact remains that my beliefs are derived from those sources, regardless of where they come from—God or Satan. And when people ask me for an explanation of my beliefs, I refer them to the sources from which they are derived.

But that shows how ill-prepared you are to defend your “church”. It is like defining a word by using the word in the definition

 

[TexanKnight]

That is a dumb comment, because I did put them in my own words, as well as providing the source reference from which they are derived.

no. it was an accurate comment. You have shown that you dodge the tough questions, link to websites to answer the easy questions, ignore those you cannot out-debate, and act like you have done it all

 

[mathonihah]

Hello mathonihah - Do you believe it Is possible that the Bible could be a lie and could be from Satan?

What is possible and what is true are two different things. Anything is “possible,” but I happen to believe that the Bible is the word of God, just as I believe that the Book of Mormon is the word of God.

Also, how does the Book of Mormon tie in to Mormon beliefs - there are many contradictions between what the BoM says and what Mormons actually believe.

thanks!

That is a matter of opinion. I see no contradictions between the Book of Mormon and Mormon beliefs.

 

[TexanKnight]

and, as usual, you dodged my point about your complaint about a different version of the bible…

He did not use a version that changed the meaning. You were adamant in discussing Joes various versions that a few different words did not change meanings.

Right?

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[TexanKnight]

What is possible and what is true are two different things. Anything is “possible,” but I happen to believe that the Bible is the word of God, just as I believe that the Book of Mormon is the word of God.

That is a matter of opinion. I see no contradictions between the Book of Mormon and moon beliefs.

Moon beliefs?: Are those the beliefs in the Quakers that live on the moon, according to Joseph Smith?

 

[TexanKnight]

see how quiet he gets when proven wrong?

 

[bben15]

Sometimes, they don’t understand the Trinity. I thought about being a Jehovah’s Witness once because I didn’t understand the Trinity. But, when I finally did understand it, I decided to not convert to it.

God Bless.

 

[SteveVH]

Okay, I will answer your question anyway, even though you did not answer mine. The answer is given in section 98 of the Doctrine and Covenants, verses 23 to 48. It is a long section, but if you read it carefully, you will find that it explains that by the “third and fourth generation” is meant those who hate God and disobey his laws. Children tend to adopt and follow the beliefs an behavioral patterns of their parents. When they do that, then they suffer the consequences, even though to some degree it is not entirely their fault, but the fault of their fathers who inculcated those beliefs an behavioral patterns in them. However, if those “children, and children’s children …” Come to a realization of their wrong, and repent, they will be forgiven, and God will no longer punish them. That is the message that comes across in section 98. The account given in the Exodus 34:6-7 is too brief, and the detail is missing. Hope that has answered your question.

So you believe it is a sociological problem; a matter of upbringing. These verses are speaking of Israel’s joy and amazement at God’s mercy in light of the fact that they had disobeyed God and deserved judgment instead. There is nothing missing here other than it does not say what you want it to say so you must go to another gospel in order to support your position. I have no interest in reading D&C but I certainly accept the fact that you believe it. I don’t even disagree with the fact that the sins of the father can have consequences that reach through generations, through divorce, broken homes, misguided and neglectful upbringing; behavior that is repeated by children and grandchildren. But that is not the purpose of these verses. The purpose is to show the mercy of God and our lack of worthiness.

As Rebecca and I have both pointed out, it is Salvation History in a nutshell. While we deserve death for offending God, instead he offers forgiveness and mercy so that we might have eternal life. That’s the message. Those who reject this grace will suffer judgment. Those who accept this grace are saved from judgment. This Old Testament verse shows us that we have always had a loving, merciful and very patient God; He has never changed.

 

[bitznbitez]

Because there are a lot of people finding fault with LDS for introducing it in the first place, implying that it was some kind of evil, unbiblical, unchristian practice.

So your position is that polygamy is a good, biblical and christian practice, that was rightly introduced by the LDS leaders of the day, and which is currently no longer taught by the LDS leadership despite it being a good, biblical and christian practice ?