Stephen168
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I’ve been waiting for you to do that. See post 99 & 101
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mathonihah
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LOL! How is that? There are many biblical passages which when read in isolation are unclear or ambiguous; but other biblical passages may provide additional information which may clarify the meaning. To us the Book of Mormon and the D&C are like extensions of the same Bible, which do for us what other biblical passages might do for you.
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lynnettejane
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If God indeed restored the church through JS, and if plural marriage was part of that restoration in this the fullness of times, if it was essential to man’s salvation as taught by JS and BY (polygamists par excellence), if this was indeed a restoration of all things in theses latter days, then no amount of political or financial pressure would have overcome it. What mormons are teaching is that god set aside this monumental part of the restoration, bowed in fact to political pressure of mere men. Nonsense. Hence the reasons the RLDS regard the mainstream LDS church as being in a state of apostasy. So could it be argued, if you believed LDS teachings, that this is the great apostasy, and the date of the Manifesto is when it occurred. I would go so far as to say that the church founded on JS bears no resemblance to the original, and he would have trouble recognising it today as it tries to become ever more acceptable by ditching, denying, or becoming very vague about those teachings that are specifically mormon. It could be argued that fundamentalist mormons are the real LDS, the mainstream church being now no more than a shadow of that original.
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mathonihah
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That is absurd. God needed one pair to start the race, so that is what he made.
Were Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, and the prophets in league with the devil too?
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lax16
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I am shocked that anyone who claims to be a Christian (as Mormons do) would say that there is a possibility that the Bible could be from Satan.
Which do you believe to be true:
One God
The Book of Mormon
Alma 11:27-39; 2 Nephi 31:21; Mormon 7:7; 3 Nephi 11:27; and the Testimony of the Three Witnesses
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Plural Gods
D&C: Section 121:32; Section 132:18-20, 37
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lynnettejane
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That is interesting, that you doubt that the LDS church would not support the possible legalisation of polygamy. Why? Wouldn’t the church seize the opportunity to claim that God was working to restore it? No doubt there would be a convenient revelation from the prophet if that happened and heaven knows they are as rare as hen’s teeth nowadays. Maybe the LDS church realises that women are not the pushovers that they once were, and it could trigger widespread divorce, and even more members resigning, and a widespread feminist backlash and even more unwelcome controversy.
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mathonihah
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Practicing polygamy is not a requirement for salvation; but the rejection of it as a revealed principle might prevent one’s salvation; just as the rejection of any revealed doctrine might prevent someone from obtaining salvation.
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lynnettejane
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But the race would have got started a whole lot quicker with a harem, and God was not restricted, he could have created such a harem, but maybe he was trying to tell us something.
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Nicea325
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A revealed principle? Yes…according to the LDS god,but not the TRUE Eternal-never-changing God of true orthodoxy. So you go ahead and accept your false god’s belief that it is a revealed principle.
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TexanKnight
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really? then stop being afraid of me and respond to me catching you in either a lie or your lack of knowledge
WRONG. Polygamy continued LONG past the date it was declared illegal. It was declared illegal in 1862.
That did not stop Mormons and their “abiding by the law of the land”. They continued. In 1878, the Supreme Court ruled polygamy was not protected by the Constitution. Still, they Mormons continued. So much for “abiding by the laws of the land”.
In 1890, almost THIRTY YEARS after it was declared illegal, and 12 years after the Supreme Court declared it was not protected, a Manifesto came from Woodruff saying no NEW polygamous marriages would occur. Those existing could continue- so much for “abiding by the laws of the land”. Still, the LDS allowed new polygamous marriages. It was not till 1910, almost FIFTY years after it was declared illegal, that the LDS Church began excommunicating members for NEW marriages. The existing ones continued to exist…and those members were never ex’d.
So much for abiding by the law.
And they did not discontinue the practice because of the law…they discontinued because of the financial issues.
I do not know if Math made his comment because he just does not know his own LDS history, or if he is just being dishonest.
Either way, THIS is why we respond.
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TexanKnight
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LOLOL<…you stil;l trying to compare OT practices in a different country to us now?
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RebeccaJ
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That’s revisionist history.
An Illinois state law was enacted February 12, 1833, making all who practiced Mormon polygamy/polyandry in Illinois, criminals:
“Bigamy consists in the having of two wives or two husbands at one and the same time, knowing that the former husband or wife is still alive. If any person or persons within the State, being married, or who shall hereafter marry, do at any time marry any person or persons, the former husband or wife being alive, the person so offended shall, on conviction thereof, be punished by a fine, not exceeding one thousand dollars, and imprisoned in the penitentiary, not exceeding two years.” (Revised Laws of Illinois, Vandalia: Greiner & Sherman, 1833, pg. 198-199).
Young moved the polygamy-practicing Mormons from Illinois to Mexico in 1847. In 1848 the Treaty of Hidalgo Guadalupe was signed, which gave the United States ownership of what is now the state of Utah. This brought the Brighamite Mormons under U.S. law, which already included anti-bigamy laws.
Then you get into where TK posted regarding the Utah Mormon disregard for law. It was only when the US govt. began to seize assets of the LDS church that Young changed his mind, and decided that Mormons should follow the laws of the land. Up to that point, the concern for the laws of the land was how to best avoid prosecution for breaking them, by:
- Avoid detection: Joseph Smith publicly denied he was practicing polygamy.
- Move to a different land: Young moved his followers to Mexico
- Disregard the law: Young declared that polygamy was a higher law which could not be bound by the state.
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Nicea325
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Mormons like JWs are notorious for revising history to justify their sick and twisted practices like polygamy.
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pablope
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Hmmm…well…if as you say, polygamy is a revealed principle from the Almighty God…why did the LDS not fight to keep this principle in place? Why did you not resist with all the LDS might to win over the goverment ruling banning polygamy?
As you say, with God’s approval of the practice, and with the grace of God…and with firm resistance and will, the LDS could have won have they continued the fight for polygamy.
But why did they give up?
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Nicea325
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It is called convenience. Use God like a credit card when absolutely necessary, other times discard Him like an old expired card.Hmmm…well…if as you say, polygamy is a revealed principle from the Almighty God…why did the LDS not fight to keep this principle in place? Why did you not resist with all the LDS might to win over the goverment ruling banning polygamy?
As you say, with God’s approval of the practice, and with the grace of God…and with firm resistance and will, the LDS could have won have they continued the fight for polygamy.
But why did they give up?
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ffg
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Your attraction and focus on this subject matter is rather worrisome.
You also have contradicted yourself now multiple times.
I think it’s about time you ask a question on this Catholic Answers website, or powerdown and return to your wives.
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RebeccaJ
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Could be Math is a Mormon fundamentalist.
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mathonihah
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I believe there is as much chance of the Bible being from Satan, as there is of the Book of Mormon being from being from Satan.
I believe in the D&C verses which say there is one God:
“By these things we know that there is a God in heaven, who is infinite and eternal, from everlasting to everlasting the same unchangeable God, the framer of heaven and earth, and all things which are in them;”
“Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.” (D&C 20:17, 28)
As well as in the biblical verses which say that there are many gods:
“I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.” (Psalms 82:6)
“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (John 10:34)
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Nicea325
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David Koresh and Jim Jones-ring a bell?
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