Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses?

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kimg901 said:
Im assuming JS stands for joe smith right? Who is he to pick what a word means? We have seen this time after time with mormons. They choose the definition(s) of what words mean to better suite their beliefs.
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Your knowledge of Mormonism appears to be extremely limited. I suggest you learn more before posting.

JS–H is an abbreviation for “Joseph Smith—History,” which is a book of Mormon scripture printed in the Pearl of Great Price, and contains an account of Joseph Smith’s First Vision in which he saw the Father and the Son.
 
kimg901 said:
Its poison if you consume large amounts of it in one sitting. But to partake of it in moderation is okay. So Jesus was filling Himself with poison? 🤷
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You don’t know what you are talking about. Read the thread before posting.
 
mathonihah said:
Sorry, don’t get it.
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Sure you do. You just don’t want to.

But, I do not mind explaining.
  1. Jesus told His Apostles that He would never leave them, and that His Church would never die. IF an Apostasy occurred…then Jesus lied. Second, if Jesus could not even keep his Church going, then Jesus was weak.
  2. Jesus sent His best friends out to preach His Gospel and to build His Church. How cruel He had to be to send His best friends out KNOWING that they would die horrible deaths while KNOWING the Church He was sending them build would die soon after the last of their horrible deaths.
Only an LDS “god” could be that cruel.
 
mathonihah said:
That is your opinion, which you are entitled to; but it doesn’t prove anything.
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Actually, it is fact. Doctrines like God once being a sinful man, doctrines of polygamy (that is not ended, just not currently practiced), doctrines of Adam being our God, etc etc
 
mathonihah said:
Well that was not the first time that he was wrong about something.
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Gasp! One of your Apostles was wrong! Yet he published it in a BOOK! And all he was doing was publishing what other LDS had taught…

were they wrong, too?
 
mathonihah said:
That is a strange one. So you reckon we should wilfully drink poison, knowing that it is poison, and then trust God that he will save us? Never heard of that before. Where did you get that idea from?
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Hmmmm…I did not know wine was poison. Where did you get that idea from?

The reason was a stupid one. They would not use wine because they were afraid it was being poisoned…so just buy wine somewhere else. Why were they not afraid to buiy food and other other drinks? Only wine can be poisoned?

Jesus gave a commandment. Joe changed it
 
mathonihah said:
There is a difference between “another gospel” and a “restored gospel”.
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Not to Joe.

The “gospel” he came up with is DIFFERENT.

For example…show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where anyone who is anointed as a Priest or prophet or Apostle is given the Melchizedek Priesthood. All those different writers and not a single one mentioned it?

Show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where it says God was a sinful man.
 
mathonihah said:
As I said, I am not going to discuss the subject of the Apostasy any further in this thread. If you are interested in that subject, start a new thread, and I will join you there and answer your questions.
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Nice dodge. Don’t blame you
 
mathonihah said:
Your knowledge of Mormonism appears to be extremely limited. I suggest you learn more before posting.

JS–H is an abbreviation for “Joseph Smith—History,” which is a book of Mormon scripture printed in the Pearl of Great Price, and contains an account of Joseph Smith’s First Vision in which he saw the Father and the Son.
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lol…no…it contains the one version the LDS Church liked the best. Joe gave the LDS Church many versions to choose from
 
mathonihah said:
He wasn’t an Apostle when he wrote the book.

Even worse! After publishing the doctrine about the Catholic Church, they made him an apostle…(by the way, I knew that, I just wanted you to bring it to everyone’s attention that he was awarded with apostleship after publishing the doctrine)

Oh I get it. Just because something is published in a book, that makes it official. Okay, I didn’t know that.

The Book was titled MORMON DOCTRINE. And now you know that.

Some of them were, yes.

The mark of false prophets and apostles is to teach false doctrine. Thank you for admitting that
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TexanKnight said:
Sure you do. You just don’t want to.

But, I do not mind explaining.
  1. Jesus told His Apostles that He would never leave them, and that His Church would never die. IF an Apostasy occurred…then Jesus lied. Second, if Jesus could not even keep his Church going, then Jesus was weak.
  2. Jesus sent His best friends out to preach His Gospel and to build His Church. How cruel He had to be to send His best friends out KNOWING that they would die horrible deaths while KNOWING the Church He was sending them build would die soon after the last of their horrible deaths.
Only an LDS “god” could be that cruel.
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TexanKnight said:
Nice dodge. Don’t blame you
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I told you; if you are interested in the Apostasy, start a new thread, and we will talk about it there. That is not the sublet of this thread.
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Not to Joe.

The “gospel” he came up with is DIFFERENT.

For example…show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where anyone who is anointed as a Priest or prophet or Apostle is given the Melchizedek Priesthood. All those different writers and not a single one mentioned it?

Show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where it says God was a sinful man.
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Ditto. Restoration presupposes an Apostasy; and Apostasy presupposes unauthorised changes in, or removal from scripture. You keep pushing me to discuss the Apostasy with you in this thread, and I am not going to.
 
TexanKnight said:
lol…no…it contains the one version the LDS Church liked the best. Joe gave the LDS Church many versions to choose from
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That is an absurd, ridiculous, and nonsensical reply to my post. I was responding to his post expressing ignorance of what JS–H meant; not how many different versions of the First Vision are in existence.
 
mathonihah said:
I told you; if you are interested in the Apostasy, start a new thread, and we will talk about it there. That is not the sublet of this thread.

actually, it is, since the apostasy is one of the reasons one would want to be LDS, right? No need to dodge.

Ditto. Restoration presupposes an Apostasy; and Apostasy presupposes unauthorised changes in, or removal from scripture. You keep pushing me to discuss the Apostasy with you in this thread, and I am not going to.

I can certainly understand your fear
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mathonihah said:
That is an absurd, ridiculous, and nonsensical reply to my post. I was responding to his post expressing ignorance of what JS–H meant; not how many different versions of the First Vision are in existence.
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And I was responding to you. You have a knack for calling things absurd and being condescending when folks mention truths you can’t defend…like the plethora of versions of the First Vision. The LDS Church just picked the one they liked best…
 
mathonihah said:
I told you; if you are interested in the Apostasy, start a new thread, and we will talk about it there. That is not the sublet of this thread.

Ditto. Restoration presupposes an Apostasy; and Apostasy presupposes unauthorised changes in, or removal from scripture. You keep pushing me to discuss the Apostasy with you in this thread, and I am not going to.
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ah…so you can’t show me in the Bible the things I asked you to show me. I accept your resignation.
 
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TexanKnight:
Sorry, can’t reply to your post when you wrap it all under one quote, which makes it impossible to give it a point by point reply. Try again.
 
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