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As far as I remember from history classes the change basically happened simultaneously… And by the way: There was slavery before Christianity and during New Testament times it has not been condemned nor condoned. The most prominent example can be found in Philemon.
Slavery was part of society for the longest time and you cannot blame religion for that. Slaves in antiquity never tried to end slavery in general, though they tried to end their personal slavery (and those who were set free then took slaves themselves).
I would venture to say that slavery is part of your past as well as my past in one or the other way. (My ancestors were enslaved by the Romans for fighting back.)
Keeping slaves is not about the religion it is about the society. You cannot go ahead and blame these people for that. By the way… the Bible states that before God everybody is the same, but that a slave (in a society with slaves) can remain in the condition in which God has called them. “Each man must remain in that condition in which he was called. Were you called while a slave? Do not worry about it; but if you are able also to become free, rather do that.”
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You can’t compare the subjects, it’s apples and oranges.
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You can’t compare the subjects, it’s apples and oranges.
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Charlemagne_II
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Zatzat
‘The largest Protestant denomination in the country, the United Church of Canada, offers church weddings to same-sex couples and supports same-sex marriages, testifying to this effect during the cross-country Justice Committee hearings. Unitarian Universalist congregations also solemnize same-sex marriages, as do the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) and the Metropolitan Community Church. Some progressive Jewish congregations and some within the Anglican Church have also supported same-sex marriage.’
But you still haven’t supplied any numbers. You said “lots.” That’s a relative term. If you fill up a room with married homosexuals, you can say lots. But if you are numbering the whole population of a country, “lots” becomes very few.
Which is it?
‘The largest Protestant denomination in the country, the United Church of Canada, offers church weddings to same-sex couples and supports same-sex marriages, testifying to this effect during the cross-country Justice Committee hearings. Unitarian Universalist congregations also solemnize same-sex marriages, as do the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) and the Metropolitan Community Church. Some progressive Jewish congregations and some within the Anglican Church have also supported same-sex marriage.’
But you still haven’t supplied any numbers. You said “lots.” That’s a relative term. If you fill up a room with married homosexuals, you can say lots. But if you are numbering the whole population of a country, “lots” becomes very few.
Which is it?
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Charlemagne_II
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Zatzat
You are for legalizing same sex marriages. Would you also be for legalizing marriages between mother and son, father and daughter?
Why or why not? Remember, your ultimate criteria is whether an act is done between consenting adults.
You are for legalizing same sex marriages. Would you also be for legalizing marriages between mother and son, father and daughter?
Why or why not? Remember, your ultimate criteria is whether an act is done between consenting adults.
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Zatzat
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If you’re going to endlessly play ’ what if’s…’, My answer for every single ’ what if ’ scenario shall remain the same.Zatzat
You are for legalizing same sex marriages. Would you also be for legalizing marriages between mother and son, father and daughter?
Why or why not? Remember, your ultimate criteria is whether an act is done between consenting adults.
Godless morality doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Reason, logic, intelligence, compassion, empathy, the golden rule and societal values can all be used when reaching decisions.
What’s the alternative?
’ A supernatural God that we can’t see has told us what we should do?’
No thank you. :nope:
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Charlemagne_II
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Zatzat
Godless morality doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Reason, logic, intelligence, compassion, empathy, the golden rule and societal values can all be used when reaching decisions.
We agree 100% there. For all these reasons homosexual marriage goes against common sense, as do incest and sado-masochistic relationships. You can be an atheist and still find these perversions repulsive to common sense.
Godless morality doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Reason, logic, intelligence, compassion, empathy, the golden rule and societal values can all be used when reaching decisions.
We agree 100% there. For all these reasons homosexual marriage goes against common sense, as do incest and sado-masochistic relationships. You can be an atheist and still find these perversions repulsive to common sense.
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Zatzat
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Two adults who consent to having sex with each other, doesn’t offend common sense.
Two strangers, who agree to have unprotected sex with each other, does offend common sense.
My own sense of morality, coupled with the danger that familial sexual relations has on the gene pool, along with the potential for abuse and mental instability…I agree. A perversion and a crime.
Amongst consenting adults, fine by me.
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da_nolo
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I want to build off this…man was created in the eyes of God and created in the image of God. if a person desires a holy life then he/she lives a life such as the saints. The least desired you are the more likely you will live in a lifestyle of sin. so we are called to holy people connected to God. yet some fall into the depths of sin. I don’t know where Im going with this cause I have tones of thoughts running through my head, but maybe I could return to it?
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Two strangers, who agree to have unprotected sex with each other, does offend common sense.
Two strangers who agree to have protected sex with each other does not offend? This is offensive to my common sense. What if one of the strangers is carrying a knife and plans to use it? Or what if the stranger plans to kidnap a woman and sell her into sexual slavery? Would it be common sense to risk your life or your safety for a few minutes of pleasure with someone you don’t know when you could have the same few minutes of pleasure with someone you do know?
My own sense of morality, coupled with the danger that familial sexual relations has on the gene pool, along with the potential for abuse and mental instability…I agree. A perversion and a crime.
Homosexuals contribute nothing whatever to the gene pool. They are a genetic net 0 and therefore a genetic drag on the human race. And based on the homosexuals I have known, I would say they have every capacity for abuse and mental instability.
You say incest is “a perversion and a crime.” Ah, but at least the parts fit.
For these reasons also, God cares about with whom we have sex.
Two strangers, who agree to have unprotected sex with each other, does offend common sense.
Two strangers who agree to have protected sex with each other does not offend? This is offensive to my common sense. What if one of the strangers is carrying a knife and plans to use it? Or what if the stranger plans to kidnap a woman and sell her into sexual slavery? Would it be common sense to risk your life or your safety for a few minutes of pleasure with someone you don’t know when you could have the same few minutes of pleasure with someone you do know?
My own sense of morality, coupled with the danger that familial sexual relations has on the gene pool, along with the potential for abuse and mental instability…I agree. A perversion and a crime.
Homosexuals contribute nothing whatever to the gene pool. They are a genetic net 0 and therefore a genetic drag on the human race. And based on the homosexuals I have known, I would say they have every capacity for abuse and mental instability.
You say incest is “a perversion and a crime.” Ah, but at least the parts fit.
For these reasons also, God cares about with whom we have sex.
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da_nolo
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Fool, the golden rule is do unto others as they do unto you…where can you read it? IN THE BIBLE. most societal values develops from people themselves, not vise verse. currently you see a society bent backwards and turned upside down, giving into stupid worldly things that don’t matter and ultimately bring one closer to death. this may have happened form multiple reasons and paying attention to the golden rule as well as other guide lines that God has offered us is not one. all other examples given still have a large base surrounded by the history of Christianity. A Godless morality does not exist…you can try and say it does all you want, but in reality you pick and choose what is convenient to you from what has been established and what has been established is done so by God.
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da_nolo
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Biological and physiology, sex will create an impact on both sides. there are several scientific evidence to support that, I am sure. You can see it yourself through friends and family, unless you live in a bubble and think everything is fine. sex at an young age, homosexual sex, and any form of cheating separates a person from others around them, as well as themselves. there are several ways this may affect someone and it is never in a good way. so where is the logic in it?
side note…you have to learn to have sex. you learn on how to allow someone punching you or having their own ‘way’ with you. it does not come easily. you build into it. = we were not meant to lust.
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mark_a
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This is very similar to the Church’s teaching on homosexual sex in that ultimately, it’s bad for society.
Prohibition of incest, by the way is very biblical.
Which brings up another question: By your own standards, is homosexual incest perverted? After all, we don’t have those gene pool considerations to worry about.
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Zatzat
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Not in the least.
Living life, you take risks. If you think adults are regularly accosted and sold into sexual slavery, that is after they meet a stranger for casual sex…
It’s also a paranoid and a statistical improbability. You’ve got a better chance of being struck by lightening.Infertile married Catholic women contribute nothing to the gene pool. What’s your point?
Don’t get me started on all those white male serial killers.
Of all the religious people I’ve known ( fill in blank with derogatory remark)
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Zatzat
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and just about every other mainstream religion in existence. Do you really think that Christianity, through Jesus invented the golden rule?
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Infertile married Catholic women contribute nothing to the gene pool. What’s your point?
Infertile married women can adopt children, and nurture them to normal and fertile adulthood. They are then not a net 0 or drag on the human race.
What would be a real drag on any child’s life, would be to be adopted by homosexual parents. Any such child would have my blessing to run away from home and join the circus.
Infertile married Catholic women contribute nothing to the gene pool. What’s your point?
Infertile married women can adopt children, and nurture them to normal and fertile adulthood. They are then not a net 0 or drag on the human race.
What would be a real drag on any child’s life, would be to be adopted by homosexual parents.
Any such child would have my blessing to run away from home and join the circus.
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Zatzat
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Funny, that the kids don’t really care who their parents are having sex with. Just the religious strangers seem to care.What would be a real drag on any child’s life, would be to be adopted by homosexual parents.
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Charlemagne_II
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Zatzat
Do you really think that Christianity, through Jesus invented the golden rule?
Christianity did not invent the golden rule. Jesus affirmed it in such a way as to make it the central point of his preaching. Every Christian knows this rule. Many non-Christians know it because they hear it from Christians and the powerful folklore of Christianity.
The golden rule is common sense. God has planted it in our hearts as part of the natural law. Yet some have twisted it all out of proportion to its true meaning. Some act routinely as if they never heard it. Murderers and drug pushers, for example. The kind of people who would never be caught dead in a church.
Some Christians even are capable of violating the golden rule, as when they favor or vote for legalized abortion, while at the same time never commenting either way when a man is prosecuted for two homicides because he has killed a pregnant woman.
Homosexuality also goes against common sense. The Church has always taught this. It’s common sense … the parts don’t fit.
Do you really think that Christianity, through Jesus invented the golden rule?
Christianity did not invent the golden rule. Jesus affirmed it in such a way as to make it the central point of his preaching. Every Christian knows this rule. Many non-Christians know it because they hear it from Christians and the powerful folklore of Christianity.
The golden rule is common sense. God has planted it in our hearts as part of the natural law. Yet some have twisted it all out of proportion to its true meaning. Some act routinely as if they never heard it. Murderers and drug pushers, for example. The kind of people who would never be caught dead in a church.
Some Christians even are capable of violating the golden rule, as when they favor or vote for legalized abortion, while at the same time never commenting either way when a man is prosecuted for two homicides because he has killed a pregnant woman.
Homosexuality also goes against common sense. The Church has always taught this. It’s common sense … the parts don’t fit.
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