Why would God care who we have sex with?

[Zatzat]

It’s called free will. With out it, we would not completely understand love…to which God is. if you were tied to a chair and forced told to love someone, would you do it? would it ever really be Love? No, not at all. it is because of this love we have been given free will, in which we chose sin = we chose to be without God. so it is not in the creation of lust or fortification which simple terms to describe an action, but the outcome in such activity, which is the separation from God (mortal sin). Over all being a decision from humankind not a created purpose from God that we are supposed to act within.

Also, we were created in His Image. It’s not about ability, which today is no where near what humans may have had (since God restricted us when Adam and Eve brought into the world evil - via sin). Ever thought as to why we only use 10% of our brains on average? not because we adapted into this being, but because we were restricted so we may not corrupt Heaven nor other things.

Your missing my point entirely. God could create any earth, any universe, or any people he wanted…if you believe that the only way that God could express his love, or get his creation to understand love, was by the very existence we find ourselves…

I dare say, you have a limited understanding of what omnipotence actually means.

By your very insistence that the way things are, MUST be this way, does seemingly limit Gods power.

You say lust and fornication are necessary in Gods plan. Begs the question, does God not have a choice in what emotions and impulses he allowed to come into existence?

I say an all powerful God could have done whatever she wanted, even if it meant not having lust or fornication in their mysterious plan.

 

[davidv]

An omnipotent God could create a trillion, trillion x a trillion universes that were all different from each other. I’m not sure how you can believe that an omnipotent Gods power is limited.

I don’t believe it. And I’d thank you for not putting words in my mouth.
Being true to ones nature is not a limit.

In any event, if God did will his universe to be devoid of lust and fornication, we wouldn’t know about now would we?

What makes you so sure?

I’m not convinced that an all powerful God wouldn’t have the power to create a universe and a people, yet not have the power to work around leaving lust and fornication out of his creations minds…and out of the universe entirely…and still have love.

I’m am convinced that there is also no way to convince you because I don’t believe you understand what love truely is.

 

[davidv]

Your missing my point entirely. God could create any earth, any universe, or any people he wanted…if you believe that the only way that God could express his love, or get his creation to understand love, was by the very existence we find ourselves…

I dare say, you have a limited understanding of what omnipotence actually means.

I agree. God’s omnipotence is beyond my ability to completely understand. However, based on the content of your posts, I dare say your understanding is even more limited.

By your very insistence that the way things are, MUST be this way, does seemingly limit Gods power.

Who said the MUST be this way? They just are.

You say lust and fornication are necessary in Gods plan. Begs the question, does God not have a choice in what emotions and impulses he allowed to come into existence?

No one said they were necessary. They are simple the consequence of the unloving.

I say an all powerful God could have done whatever she wanted, even if it meant not having lust or fornication in their mysterious plan.

Does your saying it make it true?

 

[Zatzat]

I don’t believe you understand what love truely is.

I experience true love every single day of my life and it isn’t supernatural love.

 

[Zatzat]

No one said they were necessary. They are simple the consequence of the unloving.

This is going in circles, so I’ll try a different tactic by asking you one question;

Do you believe that everything in existence is because of Gods doing?

 

[davidv]

This is going in circles, so I’ll try a different tactic by asking you one question;

Do you believe that everything in existence is because of Gods doing?

What do you mean by “everything”? Is “evil” a thing?

 

[Zatzat]

What do you mean by “everything”? Is “evil” a thing?

Yes, in my question, evil is a thing.

 

[crazzeto]

I’ve heard this question, phrased in different ways, but basically coming down to the same thing:

Why would God Almighty who is so far beyond our comprehension, so powerful and almighty, care about our personal sex lives and who we have sex with?

What’s a good answer to this question?

Using that as a basis, they will begin asking other questions or phrasing comments about it. like “The church is so obsessed with sex. Do they really think God cares about all that?” “Why would God care about what I do with my girlfriend on a Friday night, when there are much bigger things happening in the world, like earthquakes?”

Your responses please.

I like to think of it this way,

God’s relationship to man kind is based directly upon the model of marriage. One man, with one wife, sharing eachother totally, and completely faithfully. So, if we can’t do that with each other, what are the chances we can have that kind of relationship with God?

Does that help any?

 

[Loboto-Me]

I’m surprised nobody went into the garden of Eden. Actually God DID create a world without lust and all the other evils. He also wanted to be loved for who He is and without forcing anyone. Well it seems that Adam and Eve had other ideas, and guess where lust and other evils came in? Wasn’t God’s fault that his children were disobedient… “we” just made life harder on ourselves and now have to fight temptations.

 

[Zatzat]

Actually God DID create a world without lust and all the other evils.

If God created a world without lust and evil. How could such things " pop" into existence without a creator?

Where would something come from, if said thing was not willed into existence at the moment of creation?

If God didn’t create the emotion of lust, from where did man obtain his capacity to feel lust?

How could man experience an emotion or a hormonal response, if God wasn’t the one who permitted such emotions to exist in the first place?

How could mans decision to disobey God be responsible for emotion or feeling of lust that, by your very statement, didn’t even exist?

 

[crazzeto]

If God created a world without lust and evil. How could such things " pop" into existence without a creator?

Where would something come from, if said thing was not willed into existence at the moment of creation?

If God didn’t create the emotion of lust, from where did man obtain his capacity to feel lust?

How could man experience an emotion or a hormonal response, if God wasn’t the one who permitted such emotions to exist in the first place?

How could mans decision to disobey God be responsible for emotion or feeling of lust that, by your very statement, didn’t even exist?

God created us with free will, as he created the Angles perfect, but with free will. Satan was the one who originally opposed God, the best interpretation of his motiviation is pride, he wanted to be God.

When satan fell, the first thing he did was target us, and like a bunch of chumps we fell for it.

 

[Loboto-Me]

In heaven, before Man was created, God created angels, angels were created with free will just like humans have been. Now there was one angel named Lucifer that was God’s most beautiful creation, and Lucifer wanted to have what God was. He wanted to be a ruler so decided to form a rebellion. About 1/3 of the angels decided to follow Lucifer. God again wanted to be loved for who He is, and tested Lucifer on this free will.

Well Seeing as Lucifer wanted to be such a leader of worlds, and seeing as he freely chose to walk away from God after seeing Him face to face, with full knowledge of who God was, God evicted him and his followers out of Heaven and told Lucifer that since “He would not serve”, he could have rule over Hell and I think He said earth as well (don’t remember).

ANYWAY, later on God made Man, again with free will. Lucifer was the serpent in the garden of Eden. The tempter (serpent) managed to get Adam and Eve to eat of the tree of knowledge which was God’s ONLY rule that they don’t do. After that, they had “knowledge of their nakedness, and learned what pain and labour was, and other evils such as lust and murder and on and on”.

So there ya go. Evil is NOT a thing, it’s a state… you don’t see actual evil, you do evil and only see or feel its results.

 

[Zatzat]

God created us with free will, as he created the Angles perfect, but with free will. Satan was the one who originally opposed God, the best interpretation of his motiviation is pride, he wanted to be God.

When satan fell, the first thing he did was target us, and like a bunch of chumps we fell for it.

Doesn’t respond to my question.

It was said that Lust did not exist.

However, man disobeyed God and we are to believe that lust then came into existence?

How could anything come into existence, without having been created?

 

[Zatzat]

In heaven, before Man was created, God created angels, angels were created with free will just like humans have been. Now there was one angel named Lucifer that was God’s most beautiful creation, and Lucifer wanted to have what God was…

I’m well versed in this story…

On another note, it doesn’t address the fact that God through his omniscience would have known that Lucifer was going to rebel or the absurdity of an angel trying to rebel against an all powerful and all knowing God…but that’s for another day.

So there ya go. Evil is NOT a thing, it’s a state… you don’t see actual evil, you do evil and only see or feel its results.

Fair enough.

*Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create the darkness, I make well-being and create woe; I, the LORD, do all these things.*

I’m just not sure how Chrisitans can argue that there are things, emotions and states that exist, which I remind you exist in Gods universe and yet, the creator of that universe, had nothing to do with their existence?

 

[Jennifer_J]

Doesn’t respond to my question.

It was said that Lust did not exist.

However, man disobeyed God and we are to believe that lust then came into existence?

How could anything come into existence, without having been created?

Lust is a disordered version of Love. So when we misuse Love, it becomes Lust. It is we who turn Love into something it shouldn’t be. God created us to Love, he didn’t create us to Lust.

Try this encyclical about LOVE:
vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html

 

[Loboto-Me]

When God created the each and every thing God said “And it was good” . Evil is rebellion against God, God’s divine Law. Now how could God create something against what He is? Doesn’t make sense does it? Evil is an ABSENCE of good. God in Genesis said “And it was GOOD”. God didn’t create it.

 

[Zatzat]

Lust is a disordered version of Love. So when we misuse Love, it becomes Lust. It is we who turn Love into something it shouldn’t be. God created us to Love, he didn’t create us to Lust.

This too avoids my question. Lust is an emotional response. Lust apparently didn’t exist, then suddenly it did exist?

How could lust have come into existence, without having been created?

I also completely disagree with your definition of lust, one I must point out, does not fall in line with any description found in the dictionary.

Can a loving husband not madly LUST after his wife?

Can a person not have a lust for life?

 

[Zatzat]

When God created the each and every thing God said “And it was good” . Evil is rebellion against God, God’s divine Law. Now how could God create something against what He is? Doesn’t make sense does it? Evil is an ABSENCE of good. God in Genesis said “And it was GOOD”. God didn’t create it.

Lust is an emotion that is experienced in the human brain. A husband **can ** lust after his wife.

Lust didn’t exist, then suddenly it did. Who created the emotion of lust that is experienced in a human brain?

 

[Loboto-Me]

Lust is a disordered desire… who created disorder? We’re back to the story of Satan and the Garden of Eden.

 

[Jennifer_J]

This too avoids my question. Lust is an emotional response. Lust apparently didn’t exist, then suddenly it did exist?

How could lust have come into existence, without having been created?

I also completely disagree with your definition of lust, one I must point out, does not fall in line with any description found in the dictionary.

Can a loving husband not madly LUST after his wife?

Can a person not have a lust for life?

READ THE ENCYCLICAL…

God is Love. Love is more than just emotion, it is ACTION (For God so loved the world he GAVE his only begotten Son–that is, doing what is best for the OTHER). Lust is a disordered form of love–extreme love, if you will, to the point that you loose focus on what is important and what is good for the OTHER
I really don’t care what the dictionary says, it’s not Church teaching on the matter. Here’s the Catholic definition of LUST:
newadvent.org/cathen/09438a.htm
vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm (2351)