Why would God create a baby in a woman's womb knowing that she is going to abort it?

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Questioning said:
Is it hypocrisy to say you’re against abortion but worship a God who knowingly makes babies in the womb of women who’ll have an abortion?

Please help me figure this out–simply if at all possible
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The “problem of evil” is impossible to resolve completely. Your question could be asked about all the evil that God allows in this world. The Church calls it a mystery, in fact. But thinkers have sought to explain it by acknowledging that the gift of freedom which makes evil possible is a good thing in itself. And existence is a good thing-which most of us will agree to-even in this often ugly world. And we don’t know the outcome. That baby has been given life and will probably live with God in the most indescribable love and ecstasy that a being can know-this is God’s desire for us all.
 
Brendan said:
Each conception IS a willful act of God. God is the only entity that can create a soul, no act of ours can force God to ensoul a body.
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A conception occurs because God actively Wills it, not simply because He allows it to happen.
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Greetings,

Forgive me as I am having trouble wrapping my mind around your statements that God wills every act of conception.

What about the 13 year old girl that is (name removed by moderator)regnated via an incestual act, against her will?

What about a rape victim who ends up pregnant, after an attack by multiple criminals?

Is it correct to say that God willed that conception? Would it then logically follow that God willed the incestual act and the rape to bring about that conception? Would God allow evil (rape, incest) to bring about good (a new soul)?

Please help me understand.

Sincerely in Christ,

Corrgc
 
corrgc said:
Is it correct to say that God willed that conception?
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He did not will the act that occurred, but given that it did occur, he did will that a conception should result.
Would God allow evil (rape, incest) to bring about good (a new soul)?
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God allows evil in the interest of free will, and afterwards cleans up the mess by turning evil results into ultimately good ones.
 
Questioning said:
My question precisely why would a loving God create, when he knows that the woman is going to terminate the pregnancy.

Is it hypocrisy to say you’re against abortion but worship a God who knowingly makes babies in the womb of women who’ll have an abortion?

Please help me figure this out–simply if at all possible
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If we all acted the way this god acts we wouldn’t be around, or more precisely, our actions would have no bearing on our survival or existence.

Imagine a man plants a food garden and then stands idly by as it is taken from him. Imagine he raises a family and stands by as his children are killed. These are actions that have been selected against over the history of life on this planet. Organisms that behaved thus are no longer around.

So if we assume such a god is real, we must conclude that its actions have no bearing on its survival or existence. I don’t know what such a god would be good for.
 
crowonsnow said:
Imagine a man plants a food garden and then stands idly by as it is taken from him. Imagine he raises a family and stands by as his children are killed. These are actions that have been selected against over the history of life on this planet. Organisms that behaved thus are no longer around.
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Improper analogies.
 
BlaineTog said:
Improper analogies.
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I’m just pointing out that no matter what actions this alleged god takes or doesn’t take, no matter what it thinks or doesn’t think, no matter whatever it does or doesn’t do, none of these experiences have any impact on it.

That’s one reason to believe that such a thing is not real, and therefore is the best way to think about the question in the OP.
 
God’s omniscience in the matter of aborted babies is not a grave concern to me, because we don’t know their fates. God might plan them for heaven. If the babies reject heaven, we can be sure that this was their own free will. But we just don’t know the end of the story on this one.
 
crowonsnow said:
I’m just pointing out that no matter what actions this alleged god takes or doesn’t take, no matter what it thinks or doesn’t think, no matter whatever it does or doesn’t do, none of these experiences have any impact on it.
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No, you’re laying out analogies that totally misrepresent the situation. You can make an analogy that will say almost whatever you want, but yours are directly counter to Catholic teaching which completely ignore easy, obvious apologetics refuting them, and thus irrelevant in this context.
 
Why,why,whycommon question of many shades.This is war here and satan has power but Father will correct in many ways.Fathers laws are written on our heart and things happen example if one lies is one aware?o.k. why?
 
BlaineTog said:
No, you’re laying out analogies that totally misrepresent the situation. You can make an analogy that will say almost whatever you want, but yours are directly counter to Catholic teaching which completely ignore easy, obvious apologetics refuting them, and thus irrelevant in this context.
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It’s not a question of catholic teaching or lack thereof.

The reason the question posed in the OP cannot be answered definitively is because it contains a variable - a god - that is undefined. Whatever value or attributes you ultimately assign to this variable determines the answer. Therefore there can be many different answers, as this thread clearly shows.
 
How can man question God who sees the whole picture and we see half?
 
Sanctus_Paladin said:
How can man question God who sees the whole picture and we see half?
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Indeed.

One might as well ask how can God allow such things as war, crime, drug abuse, disease and so on? God is not to be criticized by us, His creation. His ways are His own.
 
vern_humphrey said:
One might as well ask how can God allow such things as war, crime, drug abuse, disease and so on? God is not to be criticized by us, His creation. His ways are His own.
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That’s interesting. These things argue against there being gods in my view.

Can you think of a situation or event that would make you feel similarly?
 
crowonsnow said:
It’s not a question of catholic teaching or lack thereof.

The reason the question posed in the OP cannot be answered definitively is because it contains a variable - a god - that is undefined.
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The OP narrowed the search term, though, to “an all loving God.” If an all-loving God allows pain in the world, then either that God is powerless to stop the pain, or the pain serves some sort of loving purpose, possibly like surgery. Denying the premise doesn’t answer the OP’s question, particularly when you also ignore alternate hypotheses, like you did.
 
BlaineTog said:
The OP narrowed the search term, though, to “an all loving God.” If an all-loving God allows pain in the world, then either that God is powerless to stop the pain, or the pain serves some sort of loving purpose, possibly like surgery. Denying the premise doesn’t answer the OP’s question, particularly when you also ignore alternate hypotheses, like you did.
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So we’re allowed to stick a love label onto whatever we want and that automatically makes it something loving, be it a god or an abortion?
 
crowonsnow said:
So we’re allowed to stick a love label onto whatever we want and that automatically makes it something loving, be it a god or an abortion?
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No.

But if someone is asking a question about that labeled item, you have to answer it with regards to the labeled item. If I asked, for example, “How much salt does Cambel’s Chicken Noodle Soup have per serving?” and you told be how much salt the generic brand has, you didn’t answer my question.
 
BlaineTog said:
No.

But if someone is asking a question about that labeled item, you have to answer it with regards to the labeled item. If I asked, for example, “How much salt does Cambel’s Chicken Noodle Soup have per serving?” and you told be how much salt the generic brand has, you didn’t answer my question.
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Assuming labels don’t lie, you’ve answered the OP’s question then. An all loving god does indeed create new human life and does indeed permit it to be aborted. I understand your position.

I just don’t think that position merits explanatory power or contains any practical value because it denies the ability to make judgments and conclusions based on observations.
 
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