Why would it happen in your lifetime?

[GaryTaylor]

Sounds way to much like dispensationalism or the work of John Nelson Darby 1800 to 1882.

 

[PumpkinSeed]

They think this because they see the end times prophecies and apply it to our world we live in now.

Many of them have already come to pass, but that doesn’t mean hes coming back so soon.

And mind you, there is a famous Catholic ‘prophet’ on youtube who preaches about the coming apocalypse. Actually, he thinks we already entered Armageddon. He said Armageddon started on November 26th, 2010.

Here is his youtube channel: youtube.com/user/thirdeaglebooks?ob=4

 

[stewstew03]

They think this because they see the end times prophecies and apply it to our world we live in now.

Many of them have already come to pass, but that doesn’t mean hes coming back so soon.

And mind you, there is a famous Catholic ‘prophet’ on youtube who preaches about the coming apocalypse. Actually, he thinks we already entered Armageddon. He said Armageddon started on November 26th, 2010.

Here is his youtube channel: youtube.com/user/thirdeaglebooks?ob=4

Who is this “famous” Catholic prophet…?

By the way, I think you meant to say “obscure” - not “famous.”

 

[PumpkinSeed]

Who is this “famous” Catholic prophet…?

By the way, I think you meant to say “obscure” - not “famous.”

Well he has quite a lot of followers on youtube. I find him to be false. I do not believe in his teachings. and i included a link. You can check him out

 

[GaryTaylor]

Jesus Christ renewed and transformed Israel by founding His Catholic Church, which is the prophesied restoration of the House of David (compare Is. 22:25 and Amos 9:11-12 with Acts 15:15-18). Jesus reconstituted the Davidic kingdom of Israel under the Jewish leadership of the Twelve Apostles, with Peter overseeing the earthly administration of “the kingdom of heaven” (compare Is. 22:15-25 with Mt. 16:13-20). Thus, the reign of God actually began with the coming of Christ and came to full flower through His death, Resurrection and the manifestation of His Church on Pentecost (cf. Acts 2:15-22, 32-33; Catechism, no. 1076). As Jesus told His disciples and a multitude, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power” (Mk. 9:1; cf. Lk. 17:20-21; Catechism, nos. 541-50). This view of salvation history is somewhat similar to what some Protestants call “amillennialism.” Based on its usage elsewhere in Scripture, the Church understands that the reign of God should not be understood as a strict, literal, thousand-year reign, for the number 1,000 is simply a number that figuratively represents perfection in duration (cf. 2 Pet. 3:8).

Dispensationalism is biblically unfounded.

In giving Peter the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Mt. 16:18-19), Jesus clearly teaches that His kingdom is a present reality, not merely a future one (cf. Lk. 17:21; Mt. 12:28; Acts 1:6). He mediates His kingdom through the rule of His universal or “Catholic” Church, telling His apostles to make disciples of all nations (Mt. 28:18-20; Acts 28:28), especially their Jewish brethren, who were the first called (cf. Mt. 10:6, 15:24, 18:11). Through His death, Resurrection, and the founding of His Church, Christ instituted and mediates the blessing of all nations promised through Abraham’s descendants (cf. Gen. 12:1-3, 22:18). St. Paul affirms that Jews and Gentiles have become one in Christ’s kingdom (Eph. 2:11-16) and that Gentiles, like Jews, are children of Abraham and “heirs according to promise” (Gal. 3:29).

All could be found at cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=193

The goal is to perfect the physical world we live in thus the Converstion of Sinners. Who did Christ level his harshest words toward? Man by large is subject to Pride or the seven deadly sins. In a reality which we can take nothing with us. So then is this action not like that of a junkie seeking instant gratification, is it not all in vain.

The idea through free will is as St Paul states…It is no longer I who lives but Christ who lives through me. Through Pauls cooperation in free-will, grace, santification and purification were able to proceed by the Lord replacing Pauls heart with His.

Ideas such as suffering, poverty, chasity, humility, obedience, generosity etc, are very hard for man to grasp in this physical world today. The pleasure sought creates a state of illusion by the ego and also builds a wall of denial especially through intellect. The most difficult wall to penetrate is intellect. I have seen PHDs who could not comprehend sticking needles in their arm not only will, but is going to kill them. Same situation exists in Gods Kingdom. Man in his finite knowledge would like to define what Gods infinate plan is. Because he knows better through finite intellect increased by temptation by satan. Thus the escalation of illusion and disbelief of the existence of God or what God has already accomplished in His love for mankind, to give oneself permission to act as he so choose’s. For whatever petty reason, countless as they may be they all fall into those seven deadly sins and the commandments.

All makes for a good FICTION reading such as Hal Lindsey, but thats about it.

Pick up your Cross and follow me. And when you cannot for whatever reason seem to touch this reality. The Blessed Virgin Mary is the path to lead you there. The relationship between the Holy Spirit and Mary is as significant now as it was at the incarnation if not more. Again Bible…“All generations will call me Blessed” But they too refuse to do this for the same reasons mentioned. But just as with St Paul in this interaction is was no longer Mary who lived but Christ who lived through Her.

The question becomes can man avoid ultimate destruction? Of course he can, and the prescription/formula has been given to him. He refuses’s to acknowledge it.

The climatic times are only a indication of how far man has walked away from Christs Church. How could the result be a wonderful world…thats illusion.

 

[stewstew03]

Well he has quite a lot of followers on youtube. I find him to be false. I do not believe in his teachings. and i included a link. You can check him out

Yes, but it wasn’t clear if you were referring to the priest in the video or the person who posted the video. I take it you are referring to the “retired furniture engineer” who posted the video.

 

[BornAgain2010]

Sounds way to much like dispensationalism or the work of John Nelson Darby 1800 to 1882.

Okay, heres the REAL reason why I ask.

A friend of mine whom I met through my sister is a Pentecostal. Here’s the funny part, she’s a former Wiccan.

She originally got into Wicca but I dont know what her religion was before that. Anyway so she got into Wicca, then a friend of hers started taking her to Church with her. She (my friend), liked the traditionalism and eventually converted to Pentecostal as the Church she visited happened to itself be Pentecostal. So some of her behaviour may be an attempt to raise her spirituality for the sake of externals simply to hide the shame and guilt that she was once a Wiccan.

Anyway, on her Facebook she keeps talking about how we are in the last days, and how we need to start “testing the spirits” and how we need to “seek shelter” and other crazy stuff. Granted its good to be mindful of the next world, but I think she over-emphasises the point. And in so doing, ends up missing the point altogether.

So what is the one thing that convinces the believer it’ll happen in their lifetime? I would ask her directly, but shes so stubborn she’d get all upset and what not. Id really rather not have to get into it with her, it takes too much energy.

And Gary, I think her particular Church actually does use the Darby version or a later edition thereof. So what exactly is the final argument that is the deciding factor that says it will happen in the believer’s own lifetime? Also wouldnt the passing on of past generations disprove that said argument?

 

[po18guy]

What she is lacking is the Sacrament of Reconciliation, which probably leaves her with no resolution of her guilt.

 

[StevieD]

For genuinely Catholic and well researched considerations of eschatology, let me recommend the books - ‘Trial, Tribulation and Triumph’ and ‘Salvation is from the Jews’. Both are fascinating and offer real food for thought on this topic from a Catholic perspective.

(Re. earlier posts - ‘The Third Eagle’ in Youtube is not a Catholic and claims to be a prophet foretold in Scripture. He seems to be sincere but also seems to be a ‘sandwich short of a picnic’ - he has nothing to offer a thoughtful Catholic on this subject)

 

[7_Sorrows]

What we cannot yet see is just how much our prayers have stopped. Without them, I fear that this world would be much worse off, if not already judged.

i guess that is one way of looking at it!!

 

[PumpkinSeed]

Yes, but it wasn’t clear if you were referring to the priest in the video or the person who posted the video. I take it you are referring to the “retired furniture engineer” who posted the video.

Yes. So did you see him? what do you think? true prophet, false prophet?

 

[GaryTaylor]

Okay, heres the REAL reason why I ask.

A friend of mine whom I met through my sister is a Pentecostal. Here’s the funny part, she’s a former Wiccan.

She originally got into Wicca but I dont know what her religion was before that. Anyway so she got into Wicca, then a friend of hers started taking her to Church with her. She (my friend), liked the traditionalism and eventually converted to Pentecostal as the Church she visited happened to itself be Pentecostal. So some of her behaviour may be an attempt to raise her spirituality for the sake of externals simply to hide the shame and guilt that she was once a Wiccan.

Anyway, on her Facebook she keeps talking about how we are in the last days, and how we need to start “testing the spirits” and how we need to “seek shelter” and other crazy stuff. Granted its good to be mindful of the next world, but I think she over-emphasises the point. And in so doing, ends up missing the point altogether.

So what is the one thing that convinces the believer it’ll happen in their lifetime? I would ask her directly, but shes so stubborn she’d get all upset and what not. Id really rather not have to get into it with her, it takes too much energy.

And Gary, I think her particular Church actually does use the Darby version or a later edition thereof. So what exactly is the final argument that is the deciding factor that says it will happen in the believer’s own lifetime? Also wouldnt the passing on of past generations disprove that said argument?

Hebrews 1:1-2 pretty much sums it up.

St. John of the Cross summed up Hebrews this way…“in giving us His Son, His only Word, He spoke everything to us all at once in His sole Word, and He has no more to say…because what he spoke before to the prophets in parts, He has now spoken all at once by giving us all who is His Son. Anyone questioning God or desiring some vision or revelation would be guilty not only of foolish behavior, but also of offending God by not fixing his eyes entirely upon Christ, and by living with the desire of some other novelty”.

This is the new and everlasting covenant, it will never pass away and no new revelation is expected before the Glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Which isn’t to say the church doesn’t recognize specific private revelation. However, they do not belong to the Deposit of Faith. It is not there role to improve or complete Christs revelation, but to point out specifics through the Grace of God by His Saints to help mankind live more fully in God in a certain period of history. And the church takes much time to discern and welcome these private revelations through the magesterium, in whatever may be an authentic call of Christ or His Saints to the church.

GK Chesterton put it well when he stated “According to the records available both in history and today, barbarism and civilization are not successive stages in the progress of the world. They were and still are conditions which exist side by side, there was civilized men then and there is now, there are savages now and there were savages then. It is suggested that all men pass through a nomadic stage; it is certain that there are some who never pass out of it.”

There have always been climatic periods in history which cause much speculation. Today is up there with the best of them, not a very good case for the evolution of modern man if ya ask me. To me when things become chaotic is when rational thinking needs to apply most, its when mankind needs to make a collective effort to resolve issues, instead of escalating them. And I believe by large that is exactly what we are seeing. The escalation on major issues which spread chaos and speculation.

Gods people going into bondage is also nothing new, and the Jews can testify to that. This isn’t a spiritual plea bargin with God. You cant kinda, sorta do it His way, and say; “Well. its the best we could do God”. I guess I read the book and comprehended it wrong. When has God ever Blessed that kind of pride? And in the USAs short few hundred years thats what we see here today. Let alone the total abandonment of Church.

So without doubt as we have seen with Israel there well could be judgement. Few more bad Presidential moves and we could pass the point of no return. We’re already at the door, and as amazing as it is, many don’t see it.

Sometimes when Souls find the church they also go through this phase of spiritual pride, which is really expected since they have found a truth. They just get a bit excited about it and begin to allow their imagination run wild, then project that to others. We have all seen this also. Seems to me some get stuck there for longer periods than others though.

 

[stewstew03]

Yes. So did you see him? what do you think? true prophet, false prophet?

False.

 

[TevereNauta]

In fact, has there been any age of humanity when the world has not been a dark, broken place? Excluding the Garden of Eden of course, the first half, at least.

I’m just as disgusted as all of you with the awful events in our culture and its slow descent back into paganism. Still, for all the wickedness of these days, I imagine those living in the late Roman Empire (with civil wars, sexual degeneracy par excellence, barbarian invasions, cities sacked, rampant plague, breakdown of infrastructure, etc.) thought they were in the end times as well. And the Dark Ages were no fun at all – yes, the Church grew by leaps and bounds, but there were still pagans and town-sackings aplenty. And let’s not even get into the Holocaust and the nightmares of WWs I & II.

For all the diabolical trends in the West, I hope none of us had out towns ‘sacked’ recently. As a fellow pointed out a few posts ago, the really scary thing is knowing just how bad the end times will be, as we have so much to compare it to in the dark days behind us.

 

[SaintPatrick333]

John wrote Revelations to explain what we Catholics experience at the Liturgical Mass. Don’t believe me? Sound crazy? Give Dr. Scott Hahn’s book “The Lamb’s Supper” a try. It’s insightful and enlightening. He does a fantastic job making sense of Revelations.

 

[BornAgain2010]

What she is lacking is the Sacrament of Reconciliation, which probably leaves her with no resolution of her guilt.

I think its something along those lines. As I said earlier, I think its a PR issue for her. I think she’s trying to build up this “Christian-Image” so that in the rare event that someone find out she’s a former-Wiccan, they would doubt that claim after seeing so much of her personae-Christi side. I think thats what the issue is. Or maybe not, who knows?

But yes, I do believe its something related to guilt or shame of her past beliefs. But again I will say, I am glad and thankful for His power to effect that kind of a change within her and her reasoning and free-will to want to and eventual make the conversion back to Christ. He truly is a powerful God to effect such things.

 

[po18guy]

I think its something along those lines. As I said earlier, I think its a PR issue for her. I think she’s trying to build up this “Christian-Image” so that in the rare event that someone find out she’s a former-Wiccan, they would doubt that claim after seeing so much of her personae-Christi side. I think thats what the issue is. Or maybe not, who knows?

But yes, I do believe its something related to guilt or shame of her past beliefs. But again I will say, I am glad and thankful for His power to effect that kind of a change within her and her reasoning and free-will to want to and eventual make the conversion back to Christ. He truly is a powerful God to effect such things.

At some point, it might be worthwhile mentioning to her that she is welcome in the Catholic Church particularly because she was a wiccan. It gives her some “street cred.”

 

[GaryTaylor]

Reconciliation is without a doubt underestimated.

Never admit the guilt and the skeleton remains in the closet. And you remain a prisoner in your own mind. Hostage of evil. A concept which has been discussed by so many Saints you can just about pick one. St Ignatius of Loyola Rule #13 of discernment. Importance of a spiritual director or confessor in most caes’s.

Until you suffer others to share your secrets you have no safety from them. So the question is, once you can reach this stage of confronting your own fears, becomes who would you do this with? There really is only one correct answer.

 

[GaryTaylor]

John wrote Revelations to explain what we Catholics experience at the Liturgical Mass. Don’t believe me? Sound crazy? Give Dr. Scott Hahn’s book “The Lamb’s Supper” a try. It’s insightful and enlightening. He does a fantastic job making sense of Revelations.

Right, and right Scott Hahn is very good with scripture. He’s also a very good teacher, in that he really enjoys what he’s doing and projects that.

 

[GaryTaylor]

In fact, has there been any age of humanity when the world has not been a dark, broken place? Excluding the Garden of Eden of course, the first half, at least.

I’m just as disgusted as all of you with the awful events in our culture and its slow descent back into paganism. Still, for all the wickedness of these days, I imagine those living in the late Roman Empire (with civil wars, sexual degeneracy par excellence, barbarian invasions, cities sacked, rampant plague, breakdown of infrastructure, etc.) thought they were in the end times as well. And the Dark Ages were no fun at all – yes, the Church grew by leaps and bounds, but there were still pagans and town-sackings aplenty. And let’s not even get into the Holocaust and the nightmares of WWs I & II.

For all the diabolical trends in the West, I hope none of us had out towns ‘sacked’ recently. As a fellow pointed out a few posts ago, the really scary thing is knowing just how bad the end times will be, as we have so much to compare it to in the dark days behind us.

I listened to a Bishop speak about Syria last night. The Christians are being now forced to leave by radical jihadists. Christianity is basically being exiled from the Holy Land, while Israel is surrounded by radical Islamists. Of couse we supply Egypt and others military weapons, and call Israel our friends. Not sure about that logic.

The only possible worst senerio is America losing its Freedom, and btw socialism and communism always attacks religious freedom “first”. Nowhere in history did this not happen. Cuba is a perfect example.

26 states have filed suit against the heath care mandate. Obama already has all the Pro-Life groups on the terrorist watch list. Which by law, which he also passed, he could just imprison them without legal representation for a very long period of time.