Why wouldn't any of the authors of the New Testement mention anything about praying to ot venerating Mary?

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MT1926 said:
I just wanted to point out that you are absolutely correct when you say “but we were saved only by the death and Resurrection of our Christ”. I myself have never really used the term but I do not think it is going to far when it is used correctly. On the surface the word Co-redeemer does sound like it is going a little to far, but that is because in our culture we tend to think of “Co” meaning equal to, like Co-Captains. But in actuality the word Co is more along the lines of participating in or being a part of. If you really think it through at some point in our lives we can all be Co-redeemers. For example, let us say over the course of a few years you answer questions about God to a coworker of yours, who is an agnostic. If he eventual comes to Christ you have just become a Co-redeemer. We can both agree that he was saved only by the death and Resurrection of our Christ, however if you did not participate in bringing him the word he would have never found redemption. So basically. Mary is our Co-redeemer because with her help we can come closer to her son to receive the free gift of our salvation.

I hope that helps some
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👍 This!!! :clapping:
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
“What is that between you and Me?” Clearly you cannot diverge your opinion with that of God.
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Jesus was saying (in today 'a language) “Mom, it’s none of our business.”

But she still wanted to do the merciful thing and Jesus was moved by her love to act.
 
JM3 said:
Your translation is faulty. Try “Why do you interfere with me”, as in Matthew 8:29 and Luke 8:28.
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That translation would imply that Jesus thought Mary was butting into His mission. And considering what she does after…
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
That translation would imply that Jesus thought Mary was butting into His mission. And considering what she does after…
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We should keep in mind that Jesus perfectly loved and perfectly honored His mother. The thought of dishonoring her or treating her with disrespect in any way would never occur to Him. Nor should it occur to us.
 
JB_Brother_4446 said:
That translation would imply that Jesus thought Mary was butting into His mission. And considering what she does after…
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This article has a really good explaination about how Jesus was not rebuking or scolding Mary, but rather was warning her about the Cross.

shamelesspopery.com/do-whatever-he-tells-you/

This miracle would officially start his public ministry, so Jesus was basically saying “Mom, you know what will happen if I do this… Are you sure you are ready for what is to come next? Are you ready for the chain of events this will start?”

Mary knew what it would bring, but she still told the servants to do whatever He said. Jesus did as she requested not because she had power over him or because she is in charge, but because her request was in line with the will of God.

When we pray to Mary, she takes our imperfect, self focused requests and petitions, and she reworks and perfects them. When she takes them to her Son, they have been reworked into works of art that are pleasing to the Father and His will, so her requests are granted.

We can pray directly to Jesus ourselves, but she does it better than us 😉 why wouldn’t we use that resource when it’s available to us?
 
AveOTheotokos said:
This article has a really good explaination about how Jesus was not rebuking or scolding Mary, but rather was warning her about the Cross.

shamelesspopery.com/do-whatever-he-tells-you/
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Thanks for the link. Very interesting I never heard it explained this way.
AveOTheotokos said:
This miracle would officially start his public ministry, so Jesus was basically saying “Mom, you know what will happen if I do this… Are you sure you are ready for what is to come next? Are you ready for the chain of events this will start?”

Mary knew what it would bring, but she still told the servants to do whatever He said. Jesus did as she requested not because she had power over him or because she is in charge, but because her request was in line with the will of God.
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I actually like this line of thinking. It really brings the whole family bond into the picture, which I believe Family is very important to God. Where would I look to further expand on this line of reasoning? Basically, we know Mary would know and understand the prophesies from the old testament. So what exactly from the old testament would make Mary “know what it would bring” what chain of events she was starting?

Thanks Again
 
MT1926 said:
Thanks for the link. Very interesting I never heard it explained this way.

I actually like this line of thinking. It really brings the whole family bond into the picture, which I believe Family is very important to God. Where would I look to further expand on this line of reasoning? Basically, we know Mary would know and understand the prophesies from the old testament. So what exactly from the old testament would make Mary “know what it would bring” what chain of events she was starting?

Thanks Again
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You are welcome MT1926! The Shameless Popery blog has a lot of really good insights into scripture.

Jesus repetitively warned his disciples about the events that were to come during His ministry. Before them though, Mary was His first disciple. She had 30+ years of time with Him that is not accounted for in the New Testament but at the wedding, she clearly already understood the power of her Son. During this unaccounted for time, I assume Mary was privy to greater revelations than anyone else in human history. Can you imagine 30 years of life with our Lord?

As for Old Testament references, the “Suffering Servant” in Isaiah comes to mind.

There have been several posts about Mary’s role as “Co-Redemptrix”. The following links have some great info to see where Catholics get this concept:

Catholic Answers “Mary Mother of Salvation”

Vox Populi Response to Common Objections

Vox Populi FAQ

Are you afraid of “Mary Co- Redemptrix”?

EWTN Mary: Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate

I use this quote from St. Maximilian Kolbe a lot, but it always seems relevant, so I will share again: "Never be afraid of loving the Blessed Virgin too much. You can never love her more than Jesus did.”
 
AveOTheotokos said:
There have been several posts about Mary’s role as “Co-Redemptrix”. The following links have some great info to see where Catholics get this concept:
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I don’t deny that Jesus’ mother played a part in salvation. But the term Redeemer goes to Jesus alone.
 
JM3 said:
We should keep in mind that Jesus perfectly loved and perfectly honored His mother. The thought of dishonoring her or treating her with disrespect in any way would never occur to Him. Nor should it occur to us.
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So testing one’s faith is dishonoring that person…hmmn…:rolleyes:
 
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We should keep in mind that Jesus perfectly loved and perfectly honored His mother. The thought of dishonoring her or treating her with disrespect in any way would never occur to Him. Nor should it occur to us.
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JB_Brother_4446 said:
So testing one’s faith is dishonoring that person…hmmn…:rolleyes:
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No, but… I would say there is a very fine line between testing your parents faith and breaking the forth commandment. And as JM3 points out here even coming close to that line would never occur to Jesus. Because he knows we are fallible humans and if he were to come within an inch of that fine line we would take that to mean we are allowed to go a mile across the line. :sad_yes:

There is a very good reason Jesus refers to us as sheep. 😉
 
Mary’s supreme intelligence based on divine law manifests a Triune approach to God’s divinity. We pre-suppose that Marian dogmas were approved from God’s divine and true pre-existence. Therefore, we manage to understand, that Marian dogmatic truth is based on the infallible knowledge of the spirit of Truth. Otherwise, truth is void.
 
MT1926 said:
No, but… I would say there is a very fine line between testing your parents faith and breaking the forth commandment. And as JM3 points out here even coming close to that line would never occur to Jesus. Because he knows we are fallible humans and if he were to come within an inch of that fine line we would take that to mean we are allowed to go a mile across the line. :sad_yes:

There is a very good reason Jesus refers to us as sheep. 😉
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He often tested the faith of His sheep.
 
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