Why you should be pulling your kids out of public school

[TC3033]

I’ve been a teacher and taught teacher education/prep for 20 years. I still get a kick out of the crazy stories about the “hidden agenda” we all must certainly have.

Some of it is so “out there” I can’t believe that people actually believe it…but I guess some people believe the earth is flat and that Elvis lives just outside of Vegas…so, I really shouldn’t be surprised.

Apparently our agenda isn’t hidden. Didn’t you see this brilliant man made a whole video about it. I guess the only ones who don’t know about it are the teachers.

And don’t you love when someone posts all this hate towards public school teachers, but as soon as a real person shows up, they say some variation of, “I’m sure you’re the exception.”

Crazy, isn’t it. It’s always the ones who are part of the conspiracy who are last to know.

 

[Baho]

You serious? I went to a public school. I was raised in an irreligious household and most of my classmates were irreligious as well. I started having sex at the age of 13, which was pretty much the norm. At least a third of the students start smoking pot around then, socialist values were an edgy cool thing to support, everyone is constantly being terrible to one another. I can’t tell you how many gay kids there were who seemed completely cool with PDA in the halls. We had like 3 conservative teachers and 1 got fired, another I thought was a weirdo until adulthood when I realized how great she was, and the other inspired me to join the military and really changed my life. I know someone who teaches at the school now and they just hosted an event for a 7 year old boy to explain why he’s a girl so they could all cheer for him. This is in NY so its pretty extreme there compared to some other states maybe but, yeah public schools are bad.

Just had a kid in the elementary school near the end of our street get jumped by 3 other kids for refusing to join a gang. In elementary school dude. My neighbor is moving over it like its gonna be better because she’s 5 minutes north.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

Reverent_Howler:

Locally, we have a former elementary school teacher who once picketed Dow Chemical during the Vietnam War, was busted for trespass at an Air Force Base during the 1980s, and presently heads up the local environmental group as their president-for-life. He now teaches history at the local community college.

Good for him.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

[Baho]

The video doesn’t say teachers are part of any conspiracy. It says that a lot of school boards are accepting and acquiring the curriculum BLM is producing. Many school districts haven’t seen it but plenty have, and no teacher is part of a conspiracy theyre just receiving new teaching materials. It includes listening to Tupac, answering questions like “why is the black/brown body so hated”, and also helpful life tips like how to masturbate, sext, etc.

 

[JJammaz]

[1 Corinthians]
{15:33} Do not be led astray. Evil communication corrupts good morals.
[2 Corinthians]
{6:14} Do not choose to bear the yoke with unbelievers. For how can justice be a participant with iniquity? Or how can the fellowship of light be a participant with darkness?
{6:15} And how can Christ join together with Belial? Or what part do the faithful have with the unfaithful?
{6:16} And what consensus does the temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, just as God says: “I will dwell with them, and I will walk among them. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
{6:17} Because of this, you must depart from their midst and be separate, says the Lord. And do not touch what is unclean.
{6:18} Then I will accept you. And I will be a Father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.”
[Proverbs]
{13:20} Whoever keeps step with the wise shall be wise. A friend of the foolish will become like them.
{22:24} Do not be willing to be a friend to an angry man, and do not walk with a furious man,
{22:25} lest perhaps you learn his ways, and take up a stumbling block to your soul.
[Sirach]
{12:13} Who will take pity on an enchanter struck by a serpent, or on someone who draws near to wild beasts? And so it is with one who keeps company with an iniquitous man and is involved in his sins.

 

[TC3033]

You serious? I went to a public school.

Um, OK…So did I. My wife teaches in a public high school (with ALC kids mind you), two of my sister-in-laws teach in public schools and so does my sister. I’m pretty versed in it. Nothing you write below is a “thing” at any of the public schools in this area. Specifically the things you say about kids that are 13, and the norm of sex at that age and 1/3 of the class is smoking pot. It’s honestly laughable.

I started having sex at the age of 13, which was pretty much the norm. At least a third of the students start smoking pot around then, socialist values were an edgy cool thing to support, everyone is constantly being terrible to one another.

I can’t tell you how many gay kids there were who seemed completely cool with PDA in the halls.

I know someone who teaches at the school now and they just hosted an event for a 7 year old boy to explain why he’s a girl so they could all cheer for him. This is in NY so its pretty extreme there compared to some other states maybe but, yeah public schools are bad.

There you go…the bolded answers a lot. You should say public schools are bad, where you’re at.

Just had a kid in the elementary school near the end of our street get jumped by 3 other kids for refusing to join a gang. In elementary school dude.

Sounds like a location/socioeconomic/parent thing to me, not the school… :man_shrugging:t2:

 

[TC3033]

[1 Corinthians]
{15:33} Do not be led astray. Evil communication corrupts good morals.
[2 Corinthians]
{6:14} Do not choose to bear the yoke with unbelievers. For how can justice be a participant with iniquity? Or how can the fellowship of light be a participant with darkness?
{6:15} And how can Christ join together with Belial? Or what part do the faithful have with the unfaithful?
{6:16} And what consensus does the temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, just as God says: “I will dwell with them, and I will walk among them. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
{6:17} Because of this, you must depart from their midst and be separate, says the Lord. And do not touch what is unclean.
{6:18} Then I will accept you. And I will be a Father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to me, says the Lord Almighty.”
[Proverbs]
{13:20} Whoever keeps step with the wise shall be wise. A friend of the foolish will become like them.
{22:24} Do not be willing to be a friend to an angry man, and do not walk with a furious man,
{22:25} lest perhaps you learn his ways, and take up a stumbling block to your soul.
[Sirach]
{12:13} Who will take pity on an enchanter struck by a serpent, or on someone who draws near to wild beasts? And so it is with one who keeps company with an iniquitous man and is involved in his sins.

This doesn’t answer the question. How can you say it WILL happen. Have you attended every public school district in the country, across ever economic and social spectrum?

I’m not saying (and have said this before) sure, some public schools will teach something you don’t like…that doesn’t mean it’s all of them (or even a solid majority)

 

[TC3033]

I have family members who teach across two different high schools in a Metro area (including one Alternative Learning Center) an elementary school, and another at a middle school.

How about you?

Considering my oldest is in that generation now, I can disagree.

 

[whatistrue]

I’m one of those who know I could never do that job, and I appreciate those who do.

I am another who knows he couldn’t do it. I believe that I could handle the actual teaching to the kids, but there is no way I could put up with the (deleted) from parents and administrators for any length of time.

 

[JJammaz]

It’s less about the teaching for me and more the evil-doing of those children will be surrounded with, particularly other children. Being around holiness and good example makes it easier to be holy and moral, same for being around the opposites. It is part of the command and doctrine of non-conformity.

 

[Baho]

Well I’m in Utah now which is probably one of the safest places in the union.

 

[TC3033]

In our town specifically, I know probably 40% of the teachers through both coaching with them, coaching their kids as well as playing sports with them. Saying it’s the norm for kids to lose their virginity at 13 and 1/3 of the class is hitting up their local drug dealer is preposterous…at least it is here.

I wonder where this (these) schools differ/are on a geographical/socioeconomic platform. Sounds like inner city Detroit.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

The video doesn’t say teachers are part of any conspiracy. It says that a lot of school boards are accepting and acquiring the curriculum BLM is producing. Many school districts haven’t seen it but plenty have, and no teacher is part of a conspiracy theyre just receiving new teaching materials. It includes listening to Tupac, answering questions like “why is the black/brown body so hated”, and also helpful life tips like…

I do not have time to watch a 48-minute video, and I am willing to keep an open mind about just how widespread a “conspiracy” there is, or whether there is any at all. “Wokeness” may just emerge from the masses in general, in response to horrifying things that have happened to people, and that seem to be more prevalent among certain social groups. I don’t know. But I, too, choose to homeschool my son — it is not just my choice, his mother concurs, but every so often, I will ask him “do you want to keep homeschooling, or would you rather go to public school?”. (For reasons too complicated to go into here, not the least of which is cost, neither Catholic nor private school is an option.) He always chooses the homeschool option. But one reason, one of many, that we homeschool, is to avoid the indoctrination and the “political correctness”. We give proper due to the African American experience — we have discussed BLM, the history of Jim Crow, and civil rights in great depth. When on vacation, I took him to a formerly segregated black beach (we just happened to be nearby) and showed him how the road had been blocked, explained how the shoreline was roped off, and about the “Negro [sic] Motorist Green Book”. We have discussed the history of the “n-word”. Our readings have included a historical narrative of the great African kingdoms, the works of Langston Hughes, and the stories of Paul Robeson, Rosa Parks, MLK, and Malcolm X. So, yes, I would say that he gets as much education about African America, as he would in a public school — but in a fair-minded, unbiased manner, free from the fear of having our necks breathed down or “don’t go there”. And we also learn the glories of Catholic Europe, and we study classical and medieval values of honor, chivalry, duty, filial piety to one’s ruler, and much more. I’m not at all confident he’d get that in a public school.

And I almost forgot — sex and drug abuse aren’t even an issue in homeschool.

 

[Baho]

We asked ours the same time and time again. It was a tough decision to make because I worried that one day he would resent us for not getting a traditional school experience and fall away entirely, for a time. But I’ve stopped worrying about it now that we have the co-op. The kids and parents are great, and he keeps saying he loves being at home. You sound like a great dad, man. Keep it up.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

We asked ours the same time and time again. It was a tough decision to make because I worried that one day he would resent us for not getting a traditional school experience and fall away entirely, for a time. But I’ve stopped worrying about it now that we have the co-op. The kids and parents are great, and he keeps saying he loves being at home. You sound like a great dad, man. Keep it up.

I try. I have to balance homeschooling with full-time in-home care of elderly parents. My parents have remarked that such exposure is unfair to my son, but I remind them that we do not always get to pick the things we will be exposed to, and that this, too, is part of his learning experience. He even assists with getting them to their medical appointments too, and I give him Life Skills credit for that. (Yes, we have a non-graded class that I call “Life Skills”. And our physical education class includes target practice — with BB and pellet air arms for now — as well as arms safety and proper handling of them.)

 

[aroosi]

I think in US there is a huge variation in the quality of public school education. It is not by chance that the price of housing is strictly connected to the ratings of the school district. I live in a good school district and we are happy with the education my daughter is receiving in our public school. If we would buy a home just 4-5 miles away, I should certainly look into private schools or homeschooling because the rating is awful.
I think department of education should use resources to support public schools in poor areas otherwise the cycle of poverty will never end.

 

[heidi_storage]

I’ve said this before, but parents are always responsible for ensuring that their children receive a good education in a safe, reasonably healthy environment. This does not mean that there is “one true way” to ensure that such education occurs; it means that whether parents choose homeschool, private school, public school, online school, or tutoring they must be aware of what their child is learning, assist learning in whatever ways are feasible for them, and be attentive for problems that may arise.

I think I can say without exaggeration that leftist ideology pervades higher education, including teacher education. Would you recently graduated teachers agree with that? Some school districts really do mandate objectionable material that runs contrary to Christian teaching. Some teachers really do try to indoctrinate their students; most are just trying to get on with the job.

It is unproductive to engage in name-calling or caricature and insist that ALL public schools are ALWAYS bastions of godless leftism. It isn’t true, and distracts from the very real concerns attached to public schools. Parents can be in close touch with the kids’ teachers, review curriculum, voice concerns, and try to be allies with their children’s schools rather than antagonists. Most teachers and most parents, after all, want the kids to learn and develop into decent adults.

For you pull-them-out-now folks: You have the right to make whatever choices you deem best for your child, but please don’t demonize the entire teaching profession as minions of Satan, or castigate parents of kids in public schools. For you teachers and supporters of public schools: Please realize that there are genuine concerns here that cannot be handwaved away. For everybody: Please try to extend a little charity toward those who have different perspectives.

 

[TC3033]

I think I can say without exaggeration that leftist ideology pervades higher education, including teacher education. Would you recently graduated teachers agree with that?

I would say that can be true, but again that depends upon location.

Some school districts really do mandate objectionable material that runs contrary to Christian teaching.

Agreed, but that is a district by district basis again and subject to locations.

Some teachers really do try to indoctrinate their students

I can believe it, but think we’re talking a small minority.

most are just trying to get on with the job.

Most, as in a high majority.

For you teachers and supporters of public schools: Please realize that there are genuine concerns here that cannot be handwaved away.

Since I fall into this brush-stroke…I’ve said that I’m sure there are some districts out there (all be it a minority) that probably do teach some curriculum that people disagree with. My issue is when the entire public school system (including teachers) is painted with an even more extreme size brush as some sort of factory farm for turning out kids with socialist views and anarchist values. Throw in some propaganda and it’s even more bothersome.

 

[Gertabelle]

Just had a kid in the elementary school near the end of our street get jumped by 3 other kids for refusing to join a gang. In elementary school dude. My neighbor is moving over it like its gonna be better because she’s 5 minutes north.

I suppose gang violence is a product of the public schools?

Sorry, but no. Just no. And homeschooling won’t protect your children from gangs either. If there is gang activity where you live, you need to talk with local law enforcement about demographic trends, etc.

Where my school is located we have had a terrible time with gangs. Parents come to pick up their kids flashing their gang colors and signs. Children of those parents inherit the family prejudice and the family business (usually something related to drug trafficking). There was a gang-related drive-by shooting half a block from the school while the youngest children were out at recess!

We had two rival gangs plan a brawl in our school field for when our school day ended. Our principal at the time - an overweight, 30-something, short woman and new mom walked right into that field where the gang members were gathering and called them out by name and told them to get off our school property immediately. Some of those kids were our former students, and they listened to her, let me tell you!

Seems to me the public schools are at least a small part of the solution.

With regards to moving five minutes north - yeah, that can absolutely make a difference depending on the housing market. This is why talking with local law enforcement is essential for knowing what’s going on and how to protect your family.

 

[Gertabelle]

I think in US there is a huge variation in the quality of public school education. It is not by chance that the price of housing is strictly connected to the ratings of the school district.

Or maybe, because school funding is tied to property taxes, the wealthier neighborhoods have better funded schools.

…

Just saying.