Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

[Techno2000]

Oh dear Techno.

We can see that even humans over the last few hundred years are evolving.

We are becoming taller, less hairy, have bigger frontal lobe (greater working memory, emotional understanding).

Some strains of bacteria have now become resistant to antibiotics (there are cases of people dying of chlamidia in the US). Bacteria in particular evolve quickly akd constantly.

The WHO is constantly on high alert for viruses that have changed (ie evolved) particularly their mode of transportation and period of incubation (remember swine flu, bird flu, ebola??)

We see it all the time.

But, they still are humans and still Bacteria .

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

LeafByNiggle:

Yeah, throw a buzzword as a replacement for an argument.

No one here is arguing about microevolution .

A buzzword is still not an argument.

The argument is about trying to extrapolate microevolution into automatically meaning macroevolution is true.

 

[ewohdrol]

But you quoted nothing is evolving.

Clealy it is. Just because it is in the same genus (due to very small time frame) does not negate the fact there has been a nucleotide sequencing change.

Over many years this may diverge further into separate genus categories.

 

[buffalo]

We can see that even humans over the last few hundred years are evolving.

Adapting.

but…

MEN HAVEN’T CHANGED IN 270,000 YEARS

“The idea was to get a snapshot of this part of the Y chromosome in a worldwide sample of humans that would help us establish some kind of evolutionary tree connecting human populations. We were very surprised to find no genetic differences in humans, although we found mutations as expected when we studied the primates. This probably means we are a very young species,” noted Dorit.

http://www.cccbiotechnology.com/WN/SUA05/ychrom.php

 

[buffalo]

Modern penicillin is manmade.

and the cave biome was already resistant.

 

[buffalo]

Where is it held

Both and. In the DNA and plasmids.

The human genome has been sequenced and now we know vast areas are for storage in complex and layered ways.

Once again, a piano has 88 keys but many many combinations of notes can be played.

 

[buffalo]

Modern penicillin is manmade.

Hmmmm - Fleming discovered the mold.

 

[Aloysium]

The problem lies in slippery definitions. Keeping track of what various posters have said it is quite clear that when people use the terms evolution or creation, those that favour either perspective differ in how they use the terms.

The issue I have with evolution is that it does not explain the reality of things as they are and therefore how they came to be. Microevolution exists as an expression of two factors: the built-in tendency to diversity in the individual organism and the environmental system of which it is a part, but also the destructive nature of random mutations which scramble the information-in-action that are the cellular components responsible for procreation. Macroevolution is an assumption, and as with all illusion, utilizes some reality but shapes it in a manner not consistent with reality.

There’s a lot of imprecise and sloppy thinking all round. The unfortunate thing is that it is not reserved to us random internet idiots, but is present at the top of the scientific ladder. BBC online recently published an article on the sequencing of the golden eagle’s genome, a breakthrough that they say could help safeguard its future. Although it is unclear as to how this data could actually save the eagle from the ravages of the reality of “natural selection” - it’s eventual extinction, this sort of research does add a little bit more to our understanding of the role of DNA. As an aside, this sort of publicity is very important in the securing of government and private funding. Getting to the point I was trying to make, for those who are still with me, Julia Wilson, association director of the Wellcome Sanger Institute, where the research is happening, explains, as if everyone listening is an idiot, "We’re all made of the same four letters of code. It’s a blueprint written in your DNA - half comes from your mum and half comes from your dad. That makes you uniquely you. But it’s just the way those letters are arranged that makes you a human - or an eagle." I suppose that there are people who conceive of their existence that way, and they would naturally believe in evolution.

By the way, re:

We can see that even humans over the last few hundred years are evolving.

We are becoming taller, less hairy, have bigger frontal lobe (greater working memory, emotional understanding).

A Dutch study a few years back published in Intelligence found that the average IQ worldwide is dropping about 1 point a decade since such measurements were first taken in Darwin’s time. There are posters here who from their armchairs claim to know more than scientists who specialize in that area, but the evidence is hard to dispute. Now the authors seem to subtly promote eugenics, claiming that this is the result of smart people having fewer or no kids and those who are less bright have more. I think a large contributor to this is pollution which affects more those at lower socioeconomic levels. However, they may be right, that random mutations, perhaps even contributed to by toxins, may be disrupting the wiring of the human brain resulting in a gradual slowness in associations, reflected in IQ.

 

[Aloysium]

And your evidence for this latent memory is?

From my understanding of what Buffalo is saying, the memory is the genetic pool of all bacteria and likely associated living organisms which might be able to share it. What is matter after all? What is it as itself? When we think about it we contemplate and juggle information about it. The information we carry in our minds is reflective of the information it is. Matter is information that is being acted out within the context of the entire “living” universe of information. There is a material structure to being, to what exists. And, there are higher order of structure, materially in the electrostatic configurations of molecules such as proteins, where they determine whether the various amino acids make up a structure or enzyme. The information shared in the form of DNA, can be considered a memory within the totality of bacterial existence.

 

[buffalo]

This information is passed very rapidly among them.

 

[Bradskii]

I love the way that you guys just make stuff up.

 

[Aloysium]

It’s called thinking. Not everyone’s cup of tea, but it should be important, knowing what it is that one is regurgitating, and maybe see how things are different than what we are being fed in modern society.

 

[Bradskii]

It’s called thinking. Not everyone’s cup of tea, but it should be important, knowing what it is that one is regurgitating, and maybe see how things are different than what we are being fed in modern society.

Thinking is a good idea? Well…ok. But making stuff up isn’t. Facts are facts despite what the farcical current political atmosphere might lead people to believe.

 

[rossum]

Posted in error.

rossum

 

[rossum]

Both and. In the DNA and plasmids.

Is this just your personal opinion or do you have some research to support your claim?

The human genome has been sequenced and now we know vast areas are for storage in complex and layered ways.

And we know that big chunks are never decoded, such as introns. They are chopped out of the RNA before the RNA is processed into protein.

Yes, DNA is complex. That does not give you licence to see whatever you want in DNA. You have to show us evidence.

rossum

 

[LeafByNiggle]

ewohdrol:

We can see that even humans over the last few hundred years are evolving.

Adapting.

but…

MEN HAVEN’T CHANGED IN 270,000 YEARS

“The idea was to get a snapshot of this part of the Y chromosome in a worldwide sample of humans that would help us establish some kind of evolutionary tree connecting human populations. We were very surprised to find no genetic differences in humans, although we found mutations as expected when we studied the primates. This probably means we are a very young species,” noted Dorit.

Y CHROMOSOME RESEARCH POINTS TO HUMAN ORIGINS

The article you cite does not challenge evolution. It supports it.

This is part of a pattern I noticed that you follow. You quote some complicated scientific result and then act like it supports your overall point. Perhaps you are hoping that people will be so impressed by the depth of your understanding that they won’t notice that you don’t have any arguement whatsoever?

 

[edwest211]

That’s the part that always gets glossed over. Humans are adapting, yes. And it doesn’t matter if humans have, doubtful, developed a bigger frontal lobe. I have first-hand experience with declining emotional understanding.

 

[edwest211]

Politics has zero effect on me, including its alleged atmosphere. I have no political affiliation.

 

[Bradskii]

Politics has zero effect on me, including its alleged atmosphere. I have no political affiliation.

Then you don’t fit into any of the 4 categories that Americans seem to fall into:

Those who have no idea what’s going on.
Those who do and don’t care.
Those who do and are proud of it.
Those who do and are ashamed.

 

[edwest211]

Where did you get that list? Honest question. Or could this just be you passing along your collected wisdom?

I’ll add one: Those who should be ashamed but aren’t. (No reference to anyone in particular.)