Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

[LeafByNiggle]

goout:

I’m a degreed scientist in geology. And I’m 58.

Can you get your tuition money refunded?

And you have the nerve to call out goout for trying to be clever? I also saw goout’s comment about “take some courses in science” as a sincere suggestion and not as some snarky remark. Yours, however, does qualify.

 

[stoplooklisten]

If you have any evidence that might give a different conclusion then you are free to produce it and we can balance the weight of the Stoplooklisten Theory compared to Darwin’s.

Actually, Darwin didn’t have much knowledge of DNA, genetics and genetic mutations. Darwin engaged in speculation about the cause of the progression of fossils in the geologic layers but genetic mutations is not really part of his glossary.

 

[rossum]

Actually, Darwin didn’t have much knowledge of DNA, genetics and genetic mutations. Darwin engaged in speculation about the cause of the progression of fossils in the geologic layers but genetic mutations is not really part of his glossary.

What Darwin knew was observed variations in living things. He did not know the mechanism behind those variations, but he was able to see that they existed. Given variations and a limited supply of food/energy/sunlight/whatever then natural selection is inevitable.

Evolution happens when imperfect replicators live in a situation of resource constraint. That is enough, and that is what Darwin realised. As Huxley said when he saw Darwin’s work, “How extremely stupid of me not to have thought of that.”

Remember also that Wallace came up with the same idea independently.

rossum

 

[Metis1]

I think it should be self-explanatory and, no, I was not calling you nor implying that you’re dumb.

 

[Bradskii]

Bradskii:

If you have any evidence that might give a different conclusion then you are free to produce it and we can balance the weight of the Stoplooklisten Theory compared to Darwin’s.

Actually, Darwin didn’t have much knowledge of DNA, genetics and genetic mutations. Darwin engaged in speculation about the cause of the progression of fossils in the geologic layers but genetic mutations is not really part of his glossary.

I’m pretty certain that he didn’t have any knowledge of quantum mechanics either. And he didn’t need that to formulate his theory. Which in any case is utterly beside the point.

You suggested that we should look at processes OTHER than evolution which has produced what we have now. And I have asked you for some scientific evidence - any scientific evidence at all, so we can balance the probability of your theory being correct or Darwins.

 

[goout]

goout:

I’m a degreed scientist in geology. And I’m 58.

Can you get your tuition money refunded?

No it’s a little late for that, and the education was a good one for the most part. Good sincere teachers with a lot of experience, some of them at the top of their field. Some Catholic, some not. A science curriculum benefits a person not just in accumulation of details, but in acquiring good evaluative processes for the world around you.

So that’s kind the point…you aren’t open to generally accepted science and debating that science is not fruitful (God bless those of you with that patience). It’s a good idea to look further into this with basic science courses.

 

[buffalo]

The Church ought to promote progressive creation instead, imo - it fits the fossil record much better than evolution and is theologically feasible (no need to deny the plain words of Genesis 2:7 (ie, the creation of Adam form inanimate matter), for example).
Plus, in accordance with Thomistic philosophy, creation - as opposed to modifying a pre-existing creature - much better reflects the power and glory of an omnipotent God.

IDvolution fits perfectly.

God “breathed” the super language of DNA into the “kinds” in the creative act.

This accounts for the diversity of life we see. The core makeup shared by all living things have the necessary complex information built in that facilitates rapid and responsive adaptation of features and variation while being able to preserve the “kind” that they began as. Life has been created with the creativity built in ready to respond to triggering events.

Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth have the same core, it is virtually certain that living organisms have been thought of AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator endowed with the super language we know as DNA that switched on the formation of the various kinds, the cattle, the swimming creatures, the flying creatures, etc… in a pristine harmonious state and superb adaptability and responsiveness to their environment for the purpose of populating the earth that became subject to the ravages of corruption by the sin of one man (deleterious mutations).

IDvolution considers the latest science and is consistent with the continuous teaching of the Church.

 

[buffalo]

Evolution has no mechanism to program genetic code. Mutations and death by natural selection are insufficient to explain.

And the code is so much more sophisticated than we ever thought. It is read forward, backwards and has layers.

 

[buffalo]

Leo XIII is wrong.

Need I quote the other Pope’s? They were all wrong? Oh Holy Spirit where were you all this time?

 

[buffalo]

I’m a degreed scientist in geology. And I’m 58.

You need to take some basic science courses instead of insulting those who are trying to help you understand the material.

If you care about those reading from this forum, you should exercise your responsibility to educate yourself.

New info.

The walking dead: Fossils on the move can distort patterns of mass extinctions​

Using the fossil record to accurately estimate the timing and pace of past mass extinctions is no easy task, and a new study highlights how fossil evidence can produce a misleading picture if not interpreted with care.

When they examined the cores, the results were “somewhat unnerving,” said Michal Kowalewski, Thompson Chair of Invertebrate Paleontology and the study’s principal investigator.

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www.sciencedaily.com

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Leo XIII is wrong.

Need I quote the other Pope’s? They were all wrong? Oh Holy Spirit where were you all this time?

Why don’t you quote the current Pope?

 

[buffalo]

Chapel of Adam​

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Directly beneath Calvary, the Chapel of Adam is one of the oldest in the church.
In the apse can be seen the crack in the rock caused, according to the earliest Christian tradition, by the earthquake which occurred at the moment of Jesus’ death. The crack was said to have allowed Christ’s blood to fall upon, and thereby redeem, Adam who was thought to have been buried here.
For the first Christians this was also the origin of the name Golgotha: the place of the skull. This tradition has inspired the iconography of the Cross, which places a skull and rivulets of blood at the foot of the Cross, and frequently a small cave.

 

[o_mlly]

Is that degree of sarcasm really necessary?

I prefer to call it repartee. The preferred method of replying to one who appeals to their own authority (fallacy).

 

[Bradskii]

goout:

I’m a degreed scientist in geology. And I’m 58.

You need to take some basic science courses instead of insulting those who are trying to help you understand the material.

If you care about those reading from this forum, you should exercise your responsibility to educate yourself.

New info.

Using the fossil record to accurately estimate the timing and pace of past mass extinctions is no easy task, and a new study highlights how fossil evidence can produce a misleading picture if not interpreted with care.

When they examined the cores, the results were “somewhat unnerving,” said Michal Kowalewski, Thompson Chair of Invertebrate Paleontology and the study’s principal investigator.

The walking dead: Fossils on the move can distort patterns of mass extinctions -- ScienceDaily

You just gotta larf…

I mean, who on earth who actually denies evolution would post a link that covers nothing but evolution, in evolutionary terms, written by experts in their respective evolutionary fields, on a subject that depends on the very acceptance of evolution itself for it to make any sense whatsoever and saying: Look! They found a problem!

This is like a flat earther linking to a discussion about planet formation and pointing out that they don’t all agree on the exact degree that it forms an oblate spheroid.

I mean, who would possibly do that?

 

[o_mlly]

And you have the nerve to call out goout for trying to be clever? I also saw goout’s comment about “take some courses in science” as a sincere suggestion and not as some snarky remark. Yours, however, does qualify.

I agree. He was trying to be clever; much like you are in this post. Did you take a degree at the same school? You both argue with similar fallacies.

 

[Bradskii]

Mmm. More repartee. Just love it.

 

[Bradskii]

Sorry. My bad. I just checked the definition. I must have been thinking of something else.

repartee

ˌrɛpɑːˈtiː/

noun

Conversation or speech characterized by quick, witty comments or replies.

 

[o_mlly]

Mmm. More repartee. Just love it.

“Cause the players tried to take the field, The marching band refused to yield.”

Call off your jv’s, please.

 

[o_mlly]

Sorry. My bad.

Apology accepted. How many of your posts can I apply your apology to, all 240?

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Leo XIII is wrong.

Need I quote the other Pope’s? They were all wrong? Oh Holy Spirit where were you all this time?

What you need to quote is official infallible binding doctrine as taught by the Church. The Holy Spirit does not guarantee that every word from the mouth of a Pope is true.