Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Without intelligent interference, the game would continue to do poorly.

Evolution doesn’t feel too unlikely, it is too unlikely based on the fact that biological systems as complex as DNA would require a programmer.
 
So the 1960s are back? All of that stuff just showed up in the late 1960s. I walked across the street from the Wayne State University campus in the early 70s to a bookstore with shelves filled floor to ceiling with books about Eastern mysticism. It was the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Hippie communes. “We gotta get back to the earth, man.” Co-ops selling only organic food (one of the few good things). I mean, who needs science when you’ve got freedom? Booze, dope, sex. Squares were… squares.

“In February 1968, the English rock band the Beatles travelled to Rishikesh in northern India to take part in an advanced Transcendental Meditation ™ training …”
 
Without intelligent interference, the game would continue to do poorly.
Consider that the design of the Menace machine did not included any intelligence about the winning strategies for the game. The intelligence it gained came from experience of playing the game. It would be wrong to attribute that intelligence to pre-programming.
 
The machine didn’t experience anything. It’s not alive.

“Failed guesses are eliminated (just like bad mutations in a living genome are eliminated by natural selection.) The result is the structure starts to acquire information and order and knowledge of how to play tick-tack-toe.”

The failed guesses are eliminated by who? Not the machine. The machine acquires no information. By human intervention, the wrong guesses are no longer present. Only those that lead to winning the game. Once all failed guesses are purged, the machine cannot lose. This is a designed system.
 
“Failed guesses are eliminated (just like bad mutations in a living genome are eliminated by natural selection.) The result is the structure starts to acquire information and order and knowledge of how to play tick-tack-toe.”

The failed guesses are eliminated by who? Not the machine. .
By the what is analogous to the environment. It is just an analogy.
 
This is one of the most disturbing characteristics of so much of the rhetoric of those arguing against the theory of evolution: the rejection of the value of rational enquiry. The idea that learning about the history of life is “irrelevant” seems to me shocking and barbaric.
I’m all for rational enquiry, but no one ever learnt anything from an untestable theory. Thinking you know and actually knowing can be two very different things.
 
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What a lot of useless questions! None of them will help you get on in life. Do you think that knowledge for its own sake is worth pursuing? You stupid boy. Go to your room. And if I catch you reading those books on evolution or cosmology again I will burn them!
Thank you for this excellent example of a straw man argument - you are (mostly) conflating empirical science with an untestable theory. Can things can be explained by natural laws, while others will forever remain a mystery.
 
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Daddy is it true that Bacteria made itself, and that’s where Man comes from ?
Daddy, how did a dinosaur become a bird? Daddy, how can you know for sure what happened millions of years ago? Daddy, have you been totally brainwashed by a cult(ure) of psuedo-science?
 
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Genetics researchers use genetics, which is a scientific field of inquiry
I know of one at least researcher who is attempting to combine genetics science with human evolution. Human evolution is pseudo-science, therefore his whole approach is pseudo-science.
 
Your second sentence contradicts your first sentence
More than 150 years of Darwinian inquiry has yielded nothing of any benefit. Darwin’s tree cannot even be confirmed as a fact, let alone found to be useful. For some folks, the penny will never drop.

I don’t expect this particular belief system will disappear anytime soon - it will masquerade as science for as long as there are atheists to promote it.
 
Fast forward to 2017 and a group of nerds did the same thing with tick-tack-toe.
I was actually talking about this sort of thing last week-end with a friend. I didn’t exactly do what you describe but I did wire up a device back in 1964 that played tic-tac-toe and could not be beaten. If it did not win, it would play to a draw. I had to figure out all the possibilities and wire it up that way. I did the learning that your devices are programmed to do.

Matter works in a similar fashion, determined patterns that do not change unless acted upon by an external organizing principle. Randomness is the default position when one doen’t know the mechanisms, all the variables and/or the relationships that are involved.
the process of creating order and knowledge and information (all central to what the genome does for living things), starts with no order, no knowledge, and no information.
There is an order to the fundamental processes that govern material interactions. And, the machines described above, have a final cause - playing, learning and winning the game. And, that cause imposes an order that determines the various possible outcomes.

Before we consider how differences appeared between the genomes of different kinds of living being, let’s imagine the construction of the base pairs that make up the DNA molecule - purine adenine and that of the pyrimidine thymine, such that they can be paired, along with the same process involving the pyrimidine cytosine always pairing with the purine guanine.

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Working in a lab it becomes clear that even under the strictest conditions, things don’t happen as they should. That chemical processes themselves not under the influence of an external ordering principle caused these molecules to appear, is really a stretch that to my mind lacks any credibility, although such beliefs have been with us since prehistory.

Lets move forward to how the combination of these base pairs are said to happen merely by vrtue of their intrinsic chemical properties. Somehow serendipitously these are supposed to have random additions that work and are crucial to the formatiion of proteins that would provide new structures and enzymes, which allow for the diversxity necessary for the tissues and organs that constitute a body.

The process from gene to protein is complex and completely controlled within each cell. It begins with transcription - the transfer of information that is contained in the gene’s DNA to form RNA in the nucleus. Messenger RNA contains the information for the construction of a protein. In the cytoplasm, it interacts with ribosomes, where the reading of the mRNA bases. A codon, which is a sequence of three bases, codes for one specific amino acid, as a constituent part of the of protein. It is transfer RNA that assembles the protein which continues until a “stop” codon, a sequence of three bases not coding for an amino acid is reached.

I’m going to stop for now.
 
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Fast forward to 2017 and a group of nerds did the same thing with tick-tack-toe.
I was actually talking about this sort of thing last week-end with a friend. I didn’t exactly do what you describe but I did wire up a device back in 1964 that played tic-tac-toe and could not be beaten. If it did not win, it would play to a draw. I had to figure out all the possibilities and wire it up that way. I did the learning that your devices are programmed to do.
But is a significant difference. The Menace machine and the Hexapawn toy were not programmed with the winning strategy. They were not programmed with any strategy at all. The appearance of intelligent behavior arose merely through the “natural selection” of bad plays being removed. A person could have made the Menace machine without even knowing the rules of tick-tack-toe. The skill the machine developed was acquired solely through the act of playing the game with random moves.
 
Sorry. If those machines had been discovered, existing outside of human intervention, the point might be a bit more believable. To eliminate wrong choices is to impose a strategy. If you refer back to my post above, I would propose you try to explain the formation of base pairs and the shaping and addition of quite complex, very long DNA strands to pre-existing DNA, whose formation also remains unexplained, as does that of the cellular mechanism which all works together to produce tissues, organs and the body. None of this of course comes close to addressing the reality of living beings.
 
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Sorry. If those machines had been discovered, existing outside of human intervention, the point might be a bit more believable. To eliminate wrong choices is to impose a strategy. If you refer back to my post above, I would propose you try to explain the formation of base pairs and the shaping and addition of quite complex, very long DNA strands to pre-existing DNA, whose formation also remains unexplained, as does that of the cellular mechanism which all works together to produce tissues, organs and the body. None of this of course comes close to addressing the reality of living beings.
You are speaking of differences of degree only.
 
I was already of aware of most of this information in these links. Unfortunately they didn’t really tell me what I wanted to know. But with a little more digging (excellent pun) I found out that while many strata cannot be dated absolutely, layers of volcanic material can be, via radiometric methods. Once the age of the volcanic layers are dated, the ages of surrounding sedimentary layers (the ones that usually contain fossils) can be estimated. At least, that my understanding of it.

The method of using fossils to estimate age seems a bit suspect to me, as it seems to assume that a particular organism became extinct at the same time everywhere on the planet. But if an organism became extinct in one area, it could have continued to survive in a different area. Perhaps I’m missing something here and don’t properly understand the theory.
 
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