Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

[Edgar]

Evolution is obviously observable

I observed that sheeps dogs were bred from wolves, therefore I concluded that all life on earth evolved from a microbe.

 

[Wozza]

Wozza:

Evolution is obviously observable

I observed that sheeps dogs were bred from wolves, therefore I concluded that all life on earth evolved from a microbe.

So here’s an example of what I was talking about. Someone, like you, makes an incorrect statement and someone, like me, corrects you.

The first statement is correct and shows the process of evolution except without the randomness. So at least you agree that (in that example) it’s obervable. But the second is drawing a conclusion based on insufficent evidence. It doesn’t mean that you are wrong. Just that extrapolating to that extent without any evidence would make one look silly. So no-one does it.

Oh, unless they had limited knowledge of the matter and were trying to make the theory itself look silly. In which case we could ignore the comment and hope for something more constructive.

Maybe I should have done that.

 

[Techno2000]

“New” can mean in the sense that the particular evolutionist had not known of the creature before. No one would question that claim.

The explanation for evolution way too simplified. Brown bears morphed into white bears because its environment became white.

 

[Wozza]

o_mlly:

“New” can mean in the sense that the particular evolutionist had not known of the creature before. No one would question that claim.

The explanation for evolution way too simplified. Brown bears morphed into white bears because its environment became white.

And an example where no correction is required.

Slowly and surely some of you guys are understanding the process. Without realising it, I must admit. But baby steps.

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

o_mlly:

“New” can mean in the sense that the particular evolutionist had not known of the creature before. No one would question that claim.

The explanation for evolution way too simplified. Brown bears morphed into white bears because its environment became white.

And an example where no correction is required.

Slowly and surely some of you guys are understanding the process. Without realising it, I must admit. But baby steps.

The problem is, it’s going to turn white for the whole ecosystem that the bear is connected to. Every single aspect of that ecosystem would have to go through a metamorphosis. Everything in Nature is connected together.

 

[Aloysium]

Aloysium:

Wozza:

If there is such a thing as genetic entropy then we should all be living shorter and shorter lives. With a corollary that the further back we go, the longer we should have lived.

This is strictly because of better nutition and public health measures.

So genetic entropy is a serious health risk but…we’re healthier and living longer. So the evidence is…well, where? Sandford never gives any. Maybe you can find some. Otherwise…well it’s just personal opinion based on, as he admits himself, a religious viewpoint.

And you want me to take this seriously?

Seriously? You deny the benefits of public health measures which are clearly what differentiate life expectancy between first and third world countries. I have no words other than reflecting those which you yourself state.

well it’s just personal opinion based on, as he admits himself, a religious viewpoint.

The pseudo-religion as it is pseudo-science - evolutionism, stiffling people’s ability to think rationally, ideology above truth.

 

[Aloysium]

• Information is the key to understanding life. Within the simplest cell there
  exists an immense flow of information through a mind-boggling system of
  information networks. There is constant and multidirectional communication
  between proteins, RNAs, and DNAs, and these biological information
  networks are in many ways comparable to the internet.
• These biological information systems appear to greatly surpass human
  information technologies. Such information systems cannot possibly operate
  until all the countless components of the system are in place - including
  hardware, software, multiple languages, storage/transmission of communicable
  prescriptive information units, error testing/correction systems, designated
  senders/receivers, etc. Such systems must be comprehensive and coherently
  integrated before they can effectively operate. .
• The enormous amounts of information found within any cell, and the
  irreducibly complex nature of information systems, can no longer rationally be
  attributed to just the mutation/selection process. New perspectives are needed
  that might help us better understand the nature, origin, and maintenance of
  biological information.

Any person believing in evolution must respond to these clearly stated points if they wish to be taken seriously.

 

[Aloysium]

Slowly and surely some of you guys are understanding the process. Without realising it, I must admit. But baby steps.

What do you believe exactly is the process here described? How would brown bears ultimately being replaced by white bear progeny, in any way be a demonstration of a presumed evolutionary process that led to your presence here from a bacterial ancestor? Not even crawling yet.

 

[Edgar]

Honestly, Ed. Where is this fanatacism?

My apologies. Perhaps I’m mistaking conviction with fanatacism. If I were an atheist, I would also be sure evolution is true.

 

[buffalo]

So genetic entropy is a serious health risk but…we’re healthier and living longer. So the evidence is…well, where? Sandford never gives any. Maybe you can find some. Otherwise…well it’s just personal opinion based on, as he admits himself, a religious viewpoint.

And you want me to take this seriously?

Of course you didn’t read the papers from the Cornell site.

Yes, take it seriously. As time goes on evidence will be added.

In typical fashion always take you ad hominem shot. As if the only valid science is done by materialists. I have a long list of science and breakthroughs done by religious.

 

[Wozza]

Everything in Nature is connected together.

Take it easy, Techno. You’re absorbing information too quickly. But congrats anyway. Another correct post.

 

[Techno2000]

Techno2000:

Everything in Nature is connected together.

Take it easy, Techno. You’re absorbing information too quickly. But congrats anyway. Another correct post.

Thank you…

 

[Edgar]

Any valid test of PE would require vast expanses of time - we are testing for macroevolution, after all. In other words, it’s impossible to test.

 

[Wozza]

Wozza:

Slowly and surely some of you guys are understanding the process. Without realising it, I must admit. But baby steps.

What do you believe exactly is the process here described? How would brown bears ultimately being replaced by white bear progeny, in any way be a demonstration of a presumed evolutionary process that led to your presence here from a bacterial ancestor?

A good example, Al. This is what Darwin found puzzling (not exactly bears, but a good example nevertheless). So he worked out how it happened. A remarkably simple jdea that no-one had hit upon. Some had come close, like Wallace. And others, like Lamark, had understood that these things happen but hadn’t hit upon the mechanism by which it had.

So we now know the process. Some people reject it on religious grounds, as you yourself have explained many times. Now that’s not a position I will argue against. The only posts I disagree with are the ones that post incorrect information.

 

[Techno2000]

be sure evolution is true

Yeah…it’s a matter of life and Death for them, remember Pascal’s Wager.

 

[Wozza]

Wozza:

Honestly, Ed. Where is this fanatacism?

My apologies. Perhaps I’m mistaking conviction with fanatacism. If I were an atheist, I would also be sure evolution is true.

Apology accepted.

And in passing, yes I agree. If you.were knowledgable enough about tbe subject and an atheist, then you might well accept evolution (the only other options are religiously based). But…the corollary doesn’t hold: that if you are a Christian (or a person of any faith) then you would reject it.

Faith and the process of evolution are not incompatible (as the pope will tell you). Can’t really stress that enough.

However…evolution and a fundamentalist, literal reading of Genesis ARE incompatible.

 

[Edgar]

Just that extrapolating to that extent without any evidence would make one look silly. So no-one does it.

Oh but they do - I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard an evolutionist say, “We can see evolution in action every day, so who can doubt that evolution is real”. What they are saying in effect is, “Since we can observe microevolution, we can assume macroevolution happens and so we can assume all life on earth evolved from a microbe.”

 

[Techno2000]

So we now know the process.

Vague…

 

[Techno2000]

Wozza:

Just that extrapolating to that extent without any evidence would make one look silly. So no-one does it.

Oh but they do - I wish I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard an evolutionist say, “We can see evolution in action every day, so who can doubt that evolution is real”. What they are saying in effect is, “Since we can observe microevolution, we can assume macroevolution happens and so we can assume all life on earth evolved from a microbe.”

Darwin must of have seen a tadpole morph into frog and figured everything did the same.

 

[Edgar]

The pseudo-religion as it is pseudo-science - evolutionism, stiffling people’s ability to think rationally, ideology above truth.

Trying to convince an atheist that Darwinism and the theory of a Universal Common Ancestor isn’t true is Mission: Impossible. Without God in the mix, there is simply no other alternative. The science and evidence are secondary and only serve to reinforce the a priori position.