Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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As to the Adam & Eve narrative, if God planned it all, how does this make sense: God makes Adam and Eve, tells them not to eat the forbidden fruit, punishes them and everyone in the future when they do? So, God made them eat the forbidden fruit, according to what you posted, and then punishes everyone for that which God programmed Adam & Eve to do? To me, that turns God into some sort of schizophrenic maniac. Why would God completely make us and then condemn that which He made when we live out His programming of us?
I know you said it’s over but this I must respond to! How exactly can you type this after I’ve spent so much time describing the reality of free will? God makes Adam disobey?

EDIT! Oops. Sorry. I see that was before the free will thing. Never mind.
 
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You are also denying that this information is a code.
It isn’t. As I said, ‘code’ is a metaphor. At the underlying level it is just chemicals matching in standard pairs: C pairs with G; A pairs with T (or U in RNA). It is a little more complex that hydrogen pairing with oxygen to make water, but not much different.
Do you have evidence that amino acids or the other things you first mentioned as “evidence” created the first DNA?
DNA was probably first formed from earlier RNA, see “RNA World” for details of the hypothesis. Your use of “created” is very obviously begging the question. Also, you need to learn more chemistry. DNA is formed from bases: Adenine, Cytosine, Guanine, Thymine. Those four are not amino acids. Amino acids form proteins, not DNA. Making such basic errors will not help you persuade anyone with some knowledge of biochemistry. Best to avoid such errors if you can.
Also, you have evidence that the DNA creates meaningful arrangements outside the probabilities already existing in its 4 bits (TAGC)? Really? Do share.
Random mutations change DNA sequences. Natural selection eliminates the deleterious sequences and enhances the (rare) beneficial sequences. In terms of information, deleterious sequences are a bad match for the information present in the environment. Beneficial sequences are a good match for the information present in the environment. Natural selection can be modelled as a relatively simple pattern-matching process. The better the match the more copies of the good match will appear in future generations.
 
And you have no explanation for the origin of the complexity of that intelligent mind that you assume.

If, as ID assumes, complexity can only come from intelligent design, then your “mind” itself meeds intelligent design, and you have an infinite regress.
The multiverse presents an infinite regress and requires blind faith.
The uncaused cause is not infinite regress.
 
It isn’t. As I said, ‘code’ is a metaphor. At the underlying level it is just chemicals matching in standard pairs: C pairs with G; A pairs with T (or U in RNA). It is a little more complex that hydrogen pairing with oxygen to make water, but not much different.
Except they don’t just match, do they? They also arrange themselves in an order that precisely describes the organism well before it is bigger than the head of a pin. Is this now also in dispute? Are these sequences random in their arrangement? Have they no relationship to whether my cells build brown rather than blue eyes? How is it that Geneticists are able to read them as if they can find that precise info there? Have they been lying?
Random mutations change DNA sequences.
In what way do they change? My question was this:
Also, you have evidence that the DNA creates meaningful arrangements outside the probabilities already existing in its 4 bits (TAGC)? Really? Do share.
Are you saying this new sequences were not in the probabilities of those four little bits? In what way are they “new”?
Those four are not amino acids. Amino acids form proteins, not DNA. Making such basic errors will not help you persuade anyone with some knowledge of biochemistry. Best to avoid such errors if you can.
LOL. I asked for evidence that DNA was formed by random processes and YOU cited amino acids and three other things. I laughed and told you I wasn’t asking for evidence of the material that builds the TV.

Whatever expertise you may have does not prevent you from presenting yourself as if you have evidence you don’t have. Your inability to admit you have no evidence of those four things you cited or whatever creating* the first DNA is not my fault.

In any case, this argument does not require special expertise. Just the ability to follow that:
  1. Information
  2. With specific meaning
  3. Abstraction and communication
  4. Directing highly complex activity in creating the most complex things.
You can tout your biochem all you want: that’s not gonna change the fundamental claims.
DNA was probably first formed from earlier RNA, see “RNA World” for details of the hypothesis.
“Probably”…That doesn’t sound like “evidence” to me. It sounds like a whole lot of hope. How did you calculate this “probability”?
 
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can increase the amount of both Shannon information and Kolmogorov information in DNA
You keep going back to this.

The meaning encoded in the information is what is important. ID speaks of functional specified complex information.
 
The concept that God directly plans massive killing events, such as hurricanes, tsunamis, etc., I find illogical coming from a loving God
This is interesting… One has to know why God would do any of these things to determine if it is a loving act or not. From our perspective it may seem that way. From His, it may be entirely loving.
 
Moreover, man’s highest end is the salvation of his soul and eternity of unblemished happiness. Now if God were sending people to hell, that’d be another thing.
 
That is simply not true. Computer code does not write itself, and molecular switches need very precise instructions. The complex folding of proteins is another example.
 
The multiverse presents an infinite regress and requires blind faith.
Cosmology is not evolution. Evolution is not cosmology. Your attempt to divert into an irrelevant subject shows that you know your argument is on shaky ground here.
The uncaused cause is not infinite regress.
The uncaused cause is not science, it is philosophy or theology. Again, your diversion into an irrelevant subject shows that you know your argument is on shaky ground here.

That is two holes in your foot, buffalo. I hope they heal soon. 😄
 
These are the effects of original sin, and yes, they would not happen if they were not designed as real possibilities from the beginning. If that were true God would be a happless designer indeed and it’d be strange that we would believe him omniscient and omnipotent or even a true creator. I also don’t believe that God literally “kills” hurricane victims, but I can’t deny that he knew from the beginning that the way he set up the universe would result in their death and act like he somehow did not make a perfectly free choice to let that happen. Permissive will. There’s a reason we believe that God permits evil because he knows how to draw the greatest good from it. Otherwise he’d not allow it. Also, God killing people in a hurricane is possible and not morally problematic. If he did, we’d know it had to be for their good in ways we can’t see.
I will offer this possibility for consideration. Quantum physics understands the observers mind can effect the outcome. Paul Davies states the universe is porous and where God operates. The Virgin Mary exhorts us to pray continuously.

Perhaps the quantum effects of prayer influences destructive events and human behaviors. In other words when the world prays, events tend toward less entropy and good, when the world is wicked and does not pray events are more destructive and trend towards evil. Point is, we may have been given much influence over this as a gift from God.
 
Cosmology is not evolution. Evolution is not cosmology. Your attempt to divert into an irrelevant subject shows that you know your argument is on shaky ground here.
Despite your claims, the multiverse is the atheist escape route and requires more blind faith than Christians have ever needed.
 
The uncaused cause is not science, it is philosophy or theology. Again, your diversion into an irrelevant subject shows that you know your argument is on shaky ground here.
Hello… science, by its own definition cannot speak to the supernatural.
 
They also arrange themselves in an order that precisely describes the organism well before it is bigger than the head of a pin.
They do not “arrange themselves”, the sequence is copied from parent(s). Copied, not arranged. There will be a few copying mistakes, hence mutations.

The starting sequence must be functional enough to reproduce successfully, otherwise the offspring would not exist. You are attempting to introduce randomness where there is a non-random copying process. That is an obvious error.
In what way do they change?
  • A point mutation changes one base pair: GATTACA => GATGACA.
  • A duplication mutation duplicates part or all of a piece of DNA: GATTACA => GATTACAGATTACA.
  • An insertion mutation adds one (or more) base pairs: GATTACA => GATTATCA
  • A deletion mutation removes some base pairs: GATTACA => GATCA
Your biology textbook should have covered this stuff.
 
I will offer this possibility for consideration. Quantum physics understands the observers mind can effect the outcome. Paul Davies states the universe is porous and where God operates. The Virgin Mary exhorts us to pray continuously.

Perhaps the quantum effects of prayer influences destructive events and human behaviors. In other words when the world prays, events tend toward less entropy and good, when the world is wicked and does not pray events are more destructive and trend towards evil. Point is, we may have been given much influence over this as a gift from God.
Omg, Buffalo!! 😀 I just theorized something almost exactly like this based on quantum physics on this thread here as well!!!
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I would be an outlier then. I personally think there’s a lot in what Carl Jung intuited that’s very true about human beings. For example, I really do think there’s a real spiritual bond between all of humanity, and between humanity and the cosmos. That that is the fundamental design of the cosmos. From quantum physics, we know our consciousness interacts with the physical universe in ways no one can explain. You tend to find people in the New Age making the most out of this but I see it from …
Only my idea was more that our moral acts (sin and acts of charity) affect the structure of the cosmos whereas you point to prayer. I think both can do!! I do know some parasychology research does show that human intention has true effects, similar to what you describe. I’m happy to see we have a similar mind in this. I think this is what those “Law of Attraction” folks are normally describing in a crude way filled with errors.
 
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The meaning encoded in the information is what is important. ID speaks of functional specified complex information.
You keep going back to this. Meaning is a subjective measure, not an objective measure. That renders is of much less use in science because different people will find different amounts of meaning in the same text/bit pattern/whatever.

If ID has no objective measure of information then it has a very big scientific problem.
 
You keep going back to this. Meaning is a subjective measure, not an objective measure. That renders is of much less use in science because different people will find different amounts of meaning in the same text/bit pattern/whatever.
What is subjective about the fact that the 4 ntides arrange themselves in ways that can be read to refer to other things like “protein” “eye” “heart” “eye colour” etc?
 
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