Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

[Rubee]

Simple! Suffering.

 

[IWantGod]

Simple! Suffering.

Human suffering?

 

[Rubee]

No. Suffering. In humans, it includes unnatural separation of body and soul, so yes: human death.

 

[IWantGod]

No. Suffering. In humans, it includes unnatural separation of body and soul, so yes: human death.

So the nature of organisms didn’t change. Adams relationship with other organisms changed.

 

[Rubee]

No. I do not believe animal death involved pain or suffering. Suffering is a result of man’s distortion of the Cosmos. Natural death is not.

So it’s the teaching of the Catholic church that animals didn’t feel pain when eaten by other animals.

Nice try. Cite my words yet again. Interesting how you never cite the Church you like to use as a weapon, though, lol. I’m careful with my words. Read them carefully.

 

[IWantGod]

I do not believe animal death involved pain or suffering.

So it’s the teaching of the Catholic church that animals didn’t feel pain when eaten by other animals.

 

[Rubee]

No. I do not believe animal death involved pain or suffering. Suffering is a result of man’s distortion of the Cosmos. Natural death is not.

Nice try. Cite my words yet again. Interesting how you never cite the Church you like to use as a weapon, though, lol. I’m careful with my words. Read them carefully. The CHurch and Bible simply teach that the Cosmos was affected by the world and is now in “corruption”.

 

[IWantGod]

Nice try. Cite my words yet again. Interesting how you never cite the Church you like to use as a weapon, though, lol. I’m careful with my words. Read them carefully.

You are saying that due to the fall of man animals suffer pain. This is what i think you are saying. Do you intend to mean something else?

 

[IWantGod]

The CHurch and Bible simply teach that the Cosmos was affected by the world and is now in “corruption”.

What does that mean?

 

[Rubee]

You are saying that due to the fall of man animals suffer pain. This is what i think you are saying. Do you intend to mean something else?

Why are you pretending I said animal suffering was church teaching? Projections seem to be quite a major problem 4 you. No. The Church teaches the Cosmos was corrupted and the Bible teaches it was negatively affected. Suffering is my honest interpretation since that’s the worst thinmg in the cosmos. In fact, apart from sin, it is the ONLY bad thing.

 

[IWantGod]

Why are you pretending I said animal suffering was church teaching?

I asked you if that was church teaching.

Suffering is my honest interpretation

So it’s not church teaching. This is just your interpretation. You do not really know.

That’s okay. We are all growing in our understanding and i do not know either what is meant when it is said that sin effected the world.

We both have different points of view on the matter. I don’t think that’s going to change so lets just agree to disagree.

Thank-you and God bless you.

 

[Rubee]

So it’s not church teaching. This is just your interpretation. You do not really know.

That’s okay. We are all growing in our understanding and i do not know either what is meant when it is said that sin effected the world.

We both have different points of view on the matter. I don’t think that’s going to change so lets just agree to disagree.

About animal suffering? Sure. Human suffering on the other hand, is church teaching.

 

[Rubee]

Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.

What would you suppose the church means by this?^^^

I think our moral acts affect the cosmos, not just Adam’s act in the beginning. Quantum physics shows we affect the world in a weird way no one understands. As Buffalo says, we can increase entropy, which leads to disorder and would accord with why Our lady comes to warn us when our sins have become “too much” and are about to lead to catastrophe. The language used has always been “God will judge the world”, but I believe that judgment is part of the law of the universe. The cosmos reflects our immoral condition.

 

[IWantGod]

What would you suppose the church means by this?^^^

I don’t know. But it cannot mean that animals didn’t die or eat each-other, and if God created ebola then viruses and diseases existed as well. So it must mean something else.

 

[Rubee]

diseases

Adam was not capable of sickness before the fall, though.

 

[IWantGod]

Adam was not capable of sickness before the fall, though.

Okay. But we are talking about the whole world, not just Adam here.

 

[Rubee]

What do you think about the entropy idea?

 

[IWantGod]

What do you think about the entropy idea?

Do you mean what scientists talk about? Or something else?

 

[IWantGod]

Quantum physics shows we affect the world in a weird way no one understands.

I have often thought that what we think directly effects the world and what actually happens. Perhaps our sinful nature does cause the physical world on some level to change. Perhaps how we think of each-other directly effects what happens to us on a physical and psychological level.

It’s possible, perhaps even probable, but i don’t know.

Perhaps the power of prayer is a testament to that view.

 

[Edgar]

Yeah… but back in the day, things were much simpler, they didn’t need all this new fangle stuff like… information

Actually, it’s a bit like how no one has to tell the Tooth Fairy when and where to go when a child loses a tooth … she just KNOWS.