Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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IWantGod said:
That doesn’t mean that God literally cursed the universe. You can interpret it however you want, that doesn’t change the fact that you are theologically incorrect. The Catholic Church doesn’t actually teach what you intend to convey. Organisms have always eaten other organisms, disease and viruses have always existed for as long as there have been organisms, and the church is not against that point of view. So you are theologically incorrect.
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THIS^^^ Again.
 
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Rubee said:
Are you struck with sudden blindness?
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I don’t know what is meant by the idea that the “world” was effected by original sin and i don’t think you know either. But as far as the context of this debate is concerned, how organisms behave today is the same way they behaved before the fall. They live and die, they kill each-other, and they procreate. And since you seemed to have agreed that the ebola virus existed before the fall, you must also agree that there was death before the fall.

Now, my position might be wrong, but you haven’t given me any good reason to think that your position is right. Science is on my side and the church implicitly agrees with this position because the church allows for the theological possibility that the evolution of species is true.
 
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Rubee said:
viruses have always existed for as long as there have been organisms,
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And this part is actually quite interesting. It’s almost as if someone claimed that viruses didn’t exist, lol.
 
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IWantGod said:
I don’t know what is meant by the idea that the “world” was effected by original sin and i don’t think you know either. But as far as the context of this debate is concerned, how organisms behave today is the same way they behaved before the fall. They live and die, they kill each-other, and they procreate. And since you seemed to have agreed that the ebola virus existed before the fall, you must also agree that there was death before the fall.
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Who claimed animals didn’t die before the fall? Can you quote something? You know…something I SAID. Do you typically converse by imagining the thoughts of your interlocutors rather than responding to their statements?
 
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Rubee said:
It would not be possible for our sin to distort it if this had not been part of it’s design.
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Well, this is what started it. It’s the context of what is being discussed that has led me to believe that your intention was to argue that the existence of a virus is due to the fall of man.
Rubee said:
You have a simple choice here: God designed the universe vulnerable to distortion. This is what you call “evil”. I’m sorry, but the universe did not design itself. It would not be possible for our sin to distort it if this had not been part of it’s design. We are not that powerful. Even our capacity to sin is part of our design, not our sins> Hence, animals cannot sin. In the same way demons cannot die. Neither animals, nor demons, nor humans, nor the universe gave themselves their nature, power, or limits.
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It’s what you said here.

If i have gone down the garden path, it was you that led me there.
 
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And oh yes, I haven’t “NOW, agreed” that Ebolah existed. Please point to the statement where I said it did not. Sheesh!
 
There is nothing there about animals. Or…wait. Are you suggesting that Adam’s death was not due to the fall???
 
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IWantGod said:
If i have gone down the garden path, it was you that led me there.
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Quite an arrogant defense of blatant projection. If my words did not state it, “I did not lead you there.” You projected. It’s not my job to tell you to read what I say not what you imagine.
 
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Rubee said:
Quite an arrogant defense of blatant projection. If my words did not state it, “I did not lead you there.” You projected.
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If that is true, then why was the fall of man brought up in the first place?
 
So what has that quotation about man dying got to do with animals? And then you say confidently “It was you that led me there.”
 
Because you were complaining that men die from EBOLAH! for crying out loud. It’s because of the FALL!!!
 
Rubee said:
Because you were complaining that men die from EBOLAH! for crying out loud. It’s because of the FALL!!!
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And why did you say that the “world was distorted by sin”. What was the relevance to the conversation?
 
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IWantGod said:
And why did you say that “world was effected”. What was the relevance to the conversation?
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Because the world is now hostile to MEN!!! For the bazillionth time. Including the virus. And everything else.
 
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The Torah is cloaked in much metaphor, it doesn’t really teach history but mussar. Bereshis 1:1 was never meant to be taken literal. This is evident in the fact that our Chazal of old cited evolution long before Dawrin’s 5th grandparents existed.
 
No. EVERYTHING changed. That does NOT mean “animals began to die”. That was just your projection. No one claimed God intended animals to be immortal.
 
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