Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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I would agree that Revelation has definitely had an effect inside the box.
Revelation is a human-authored book. It can be studied using scientific, historical and documentary records. It is not outside the box. Or are you telling me that the Bhagavad Gita is also outside the box?

Merely assuming what is outside the box, absent and supporting knowledge, is not a good idea.
 
Revelation is a human-authored book. It can be studied using scientific, historical and documentary records.
Revelation is Divine. The I am Who Am, reality Itself, who has spoken. The uncaused cause is the Supreme Being.
 
Revelation is Divine. The I am Who Am, reality Itself, who has spoken. The uncaused cause is the Supreme Being.
A Hindu will agree with you. A Muslim will agree with you. A Mormon will agree with you. They will all disagree with you as to which books contain Revelation, and which do not.

Your personal opinion does not carry a great deal of weight in this. Do you think that your personal opinion will persuade a Mormon that the Book of Mormon is not Divine Revelation?
 
A Hindu will agree with you. A Muslim will agree with you. A Mormon will agree with you. They will all disagree with you as to which books contain Revelation, and which do not.

Your personal opinion does not carry a great deal of weight in this. Do you think that your personal opinion will persuade a Mormon that the Book of Mormon is not Divine Revelation?
They all treat Genesis the same way. They all understand God to be the Creator.
 
Neandertals are looking more human everyday. Maybe we weren’t just cavemen after all. 😀
 
You realize Neanderthal DNA is detectable and distinctive, right? They aren’t hugely physically different, but they are distinctive in some ways. After all, they’re the closest human relative that isn’t ‘human’. Australopithecus Afarensis is a lot more physically distinctive, and Homo Erectus is your more typical “cave man”.
 
What about Homo Erectus? What is Homo Erectus? Fully Human or Fully Chimpanzee? It’s obviously neither.
 
Statistics and probablity are unscientific?
Evolutionary biology uses statistics and probability selectively - ie, only when it they act in favour of the theory. When they don’t act in favour, they are ignored. This approach to science is called intellectual dishonesty.
 
I’ll try this one more time. What practical scientific use does the theory of evolution have in Biology today?
In order to answer your question, I need your definition of “the theory of evolution”.

Meanwhile, here is one definition, as provided by livescience.com:

“The theory of evolution by natural selection, first formulated in Darwin’s book “On the Origin of Species” in 1859, is the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioral traits.”

One could readily google hundreds of practical uses in biology for the process described in this definition. Animal and plant breeding are simple examples.
 
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I’ll try this one more time. What practical scientific use does the theory of evolution have in Biology today?
In order to answer your question, I need your definition of “the theory of evolution”.

Meanwhile, here is one definition, as provided by livescience.com:

“The theory of evolution by natural selection, first formulated in Darwin’s book “On the Origin of Species” in 1859, is the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioral traits.”

One could readily google hundreds of practical uses in biology for the process described in this definition. Animal and plant breeding are two simple examples.
Yes, but that’s selective breeding/microevolution…right ?
 
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IWantGod:
I don’t see why a theory is atheist just because God isn’t mentioned as a cause.
I didn't say it's an "atheist" explanation; I said it's a "godless" explanation.
Strawman. Evoution doesn't deny God.
A scientific theory can't be rejected on the basis that it's doesn't make logical sense and is therefore unbelievable?
Yes it can. All theories that don't make logical sense are rejected.
What is your argument for rejecting the miracles described in the Gospels? Incredulity
That's not incredulity. That would be down to lack of evidence.
Scientifically speaking, you may have a point…
Thank you.
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Bradskii:
If you think they overlap then good for you.
In the very first line of Genesis
In the beginning (time)
God created
the heavens (space)
and the earth (matter)
I knew that. And it was the Reverend Jenkins that told me. It wasn't Mr. Davies, my biology teacher.
 
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“The theory of evolution by natural selection, first formulated in Darwin’s book “On the Origin of Species” in 1859, is the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioral traits.”

One could readily google hundreds of practical uses in biology for the process described in this definition. Animal and plant breeding are simple examples.
It seems to me that the practical uses of “evolution” date back into prehistory. I can’t think of any particular practical use for the theory “first formulated in Darwin’s book”. The people and organizations that are attempting to save species of tortoises in the Galapagos from extinction hardly label what they are doing as fighting natural selection, although that is the problem. They are simply trying to isolate the eggs and kill off the rats, goats and pigs which are responsible for the decline. Farmers and shepherds have been doing likewise since antiquity.

That there are plenty of uses for a theory that the earth is flat, such as resting something on a table and not having it roll off, or looking down the street to see if your spouse is coming to pick you up at the train station; we don’t need a flawed understanding to do that.
 
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Tell that to the hordes who believe it’s a scientific fact.
That evolution occurs is often taken as a fact. The theory? No, by definition.
I agree that it’s the best scientific explanation.
Tell Buff. He thinks it’s ID.
Evolutionary theory states that at any point in time, there will exist transitionals. So which organisms today exhibit evolutionary transition - ie, partially-formed organs, limbs or other bits and pieces of anatomy?
There are no partially formed bits and pieces. I’m afraid that you are exhibiting a serious lack in understanding the the subject.
My point is, science can’t explain how these transitions became possible … how and why a whale evolved from some kind of rodent … how and why legs became flippers … how and why nostrils moved to the top of the head …how and why a land animal become a sea animal … etc, etc.
There’s a theory that explains all this.
No worries - God can do multiple, continuous creations.
We know. We have a theory that explains it.
I believe divine creation was needed in every “evolution” above the level of species.
Yeah. As you said: God can do multiple, continuous creations.
 
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I’ll try this one more time. What practical scientific use does the theory of evolution have in Biology today?
You offered one yourself some time ago. Bio…something or other. Have they stopped using it? And the tens of thousands that use it on a daily basis - have you told them it doesn’t work?

And have a chat with Edgar for furtherinfo.
One could readily google hundreds of practical uses in biology for the process described in this definition. Animal and plant breeding are simple examples.
 
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Neandertals are looking more human everyday. Maybe we weren’t just cavemen after all. 😀
Who is going to tell Buffalo that they were human?
What about Homo Erectus? What is Homo Erectus? Fully Human or Fully Chimpanzee? It’s obviously neither.
Just a heads up, guys. The prefix ‘homo’ means human.
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Edgar:
“The theory of evolution by natural selection, first formulated in Darwin’s book “On the Origin of Species” in 1859, is the process by which organisms change over time as a result of changes in heritable physical or behavioral traits.”

One could readily google hundreds of practical uses in biology for the process described in this definition. Animal and plant breeding are simple examples.
It seems to me that the practical uses of “evolution” date back into prehistory. I can’t think of any particular practical use for the theory “first formulated in Darwin’s book”.
You’re obviously not a big fan of knowing why something works to enable the process to be improved as opposed to just knowing that somehow it just does.

A few of us realise that. It’s just that some of us have difficulty in understanding it.
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Bradskii:
Statistics and probablity are unscientific?
Evolutionary biology uses statistics and probability selectively - ie, only when it they act in favour of the theory. When they don’t act in favour, they are ignored. This approach to science is called intellectual dishonesty.
Nearly missed this one. Do you have any concrete examples of biology ignoring statistics and probablity that we can examine?
 
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