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Actually, I have no problem with this. Let’s hope Buff’s teacher reads it so she’ll know how to separate religion and science.
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Well done.
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edwest
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Student: Yes, sir! I’ll pass my tests and forget about stuff scientists don’t need to know, like evolution.
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buffalo
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Sorry nothing.
I can show them a computer is designed.
You claim scientific evidence of design is not allowed, or just because it is a biological system? The student looks over all the info we know about cell machinery and says - man, this looks designed.
Teacher: It is an illusion. It is not designed. Remember what I told you.
Student: Oh yes, you cannot tell me the truth in science class only what they allow. Nice.
Student wonders on the way home: I wonder what they are hiding and why, this is a school after all.
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This attitude of yours would appear to apply to almost all subjects. Including (ahem) religion. Luckily in these parts, kids are taught to always question what they are taught (and this in Catholic schools!). They are also taught that (as Ed said) science is not carved in stone. Kinda the opposite of the scientific method.edwest:
Teacher: Just make sure you answer the evolution questions like you were indoctrinated to.
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edwest
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I agree with you. That is the problem. But it usually gets ignored - ad infinitum. Or forever.
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buffalo
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Yes, Catholic schools encourage to question. And when a student does answers are given. It is a good thing. In public school the question cannot even be asked and cannot be answered.
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Oh please. Sure we asked a lot of question in Religion Class. We got it. And the people around me, including family friends and other adults, were far more religious and just plain nice. That was regardless of the fact that we went to different Churches. It was not perfect but people got along a lot better.
Then, in the mid-1960s - angry wolves came in to scatter the flock. They abused our trust and good natures. And still to this day. So this whole evolution thing has nothing to do with science.
Then, in the mid-1960s - angry wolves came in to scatter the flock. They abused our trust and good natures. And still to this day. So this whole evolution thing has nothing to do with science.
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When the kid goes to church he can talk to people there about creationism. If he asks about it in the science class I’m pretty certain the teacher will tell him to do that in any case. Then he can learn that some people hold to a fundamentalist interpretation of scripture and have different views.Bradskii:
Sorry nothing.
I can show them a computer is designed.
You claim scientific evidence of design is not allowed, or just because it is a biological system? The student looks over all the info we know about cell machinery and says - man, this looks designed.
Teacher: It is an illusion. It is not designed. Remember what I told you.
Student: Oh yes, you cannot tell me the truth in science class only what they allow. Nice.
Student wonders on the way home: I wonder what they are hiding and why, this is a school after all.
But you said that biometrics was just one practical use for evolution. And you might need if if you’re going to be an evolutionary scientist. And lots of other uses as well. Remember I posted some?
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Hey, I’m agreeing with you. Always question. In the correct forum. So don’t ask questions about geology in the chemistry class and don’t ask questions about creationism in the science class.
This sems remarkably straight forward to me. I’m not sure why you two don’t get it.
I can’t comment on the quality of your public schools. But in ours, the same attitude prevails. Always question. And even if the question about creationism comes up in a science class in your part of the world, all the teacher has to do, as I said above, is point the kid to where he can get other, fundamentalist views.Bradskii:
Yes, Catholic schools encourage to question. And when a student does answers are given. It is a good thing. In public school the question cannot even be asked and cannot be answered.
I’m pretty certain that happens all he time in any case.
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“evolutionary scientist”? Nonsense. When I was considering a science career, evolution played no part. Go to the FDA website and see how new drug trials are done. Find a chemical combination that works. Next, animal trials. Followed by human trials but only if things go well with the animals. And finally, FDA approval.
This is then followed by commercials showing healthy looking and active people who have this or that condition. That’s the good news. The bad news is that a certain number of people will suffer serious side effects, like death.
No, I will not ask my doctor about any of it. My doctor is the doctor, not me. He or she will advise me, not the TV.
This is then followed by commercials showing healthy looking and active people who have this or that condition. That’s the good news. The bad news is that a certain number of people will suffer serious side effects, like death.
No, I will not ask my doctor about any of it. My doctor is the doctor, not me. He or she will advise me, not the TV.
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Yeah, side effects don’t come much more serious that that: ‘Warning: This drug may cause drowsiness, flatulence and DEATH!’
I’m not sure why the rant against drug trials and TV. But I would recommend you seek the advice of a medical practitioner if you are suffering any problems.
And any luck on information on those papers that were published.? We really need to check on their subject matter.
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Notice a difference? I do.
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Bradskii
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Yeah. It’s easier to understand than your usual posts…
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Aloysium
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I guess it’s true that one picture is worth a thousand words. 
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buffalo
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Our Almighty God has deceived us. His magic show of life looking designed is an illusion. 
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edwest
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Oh no! Wait… never mind. Intelligent Design works because living things are designed.
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Techno2000
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I love this review:
One paragraph in this book says it all.
“Evolution is slow except when it is fast. It is dynamic and makes huge changes over time, except when it keeps everything the same for millions of years. It explains extreme complexity and elegant simplicity. It teaches us how birds learn to fly, and yet also lose that ability. Evolution made cheetahs fast and turtles slow. Some creatures it made big and others small; some gloriously beautiful and others boringly gray. It forced fish to walk and walking animals to return to the sea. It diverges except when it converges; it produces exquisitely fine tuned designs except when it produces junk. Evolution is random and without direction except when it moves toward a target. Life under evolution is a cruel battlefield except when it displays altruism. And does all this with a growing number of hypotheses. Modern evolutionary theory is the Rube Goldberg of theoretical constructs. And what is the result of all this speculative ingenuity? Like the defunct theory of phlogiston, it explains everything while explaining nothing well.”
Or like another scientist (not in this book) wrote: “Evolution is always happening - somewhere else. Biologists say it is proved by astronomy, astronomers by chemists, chemists by geology, etc., but all admit the real proof is not in their own area of study.”
The only place where the book drags a bit (for me) is in the center sections where too many scientists with ten syllable names get persecuted by other scientists with long names. The first section where he discovers the actual facts that make him leave evolution (but not science) and the end sections where he gives more evidence that destroys Darwinism are priceless.
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I don’t like the terminology either. Consider the process by which hundreds of breeds of dogs were extracted over centuries from the wolf. It’s my understanding that, in biological science, such changes qualify as “evolution”, because it involves changes in the gene frequency of the wolf population.
It’s my understanding that speciation also qualiifies in biology as “evolution”.
Anyways, the bottom line is, nothing in applied science depends on anyone accepting that the history of life on earth is the result of biological evolution.
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