Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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The basic science, that which is verifiable and falsifiable, includes genetics, microbiology, organic chemistry, and physics. There is a fossil record that informs us of life forms that have existed in the past. I’m not sure where that conflict would occur, but in those instances, Church teaching, informing the science, would lead to a greater appreciation of the one truth that underlies both. Perhaps, we have a different interpretation of “science”. I mean it to be pretty much synonymous with empiricism, which is clearly very limited in its scope. This is different than the interpretations we give to the facts we discover about the material workings of the universe. What would be some examples of where they would conflict.
 
For over a decade now I have been arguing these points that were found in the scientific papers.

I referred to devolution and was roundly castigated for it. I showed over and over the major issues with evo. It cannot create, it destroys.

BOOM - Darwin does Devolve and we have evidence

 
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As Jerry Fodor (an atheist philosopher) has pointed out, natural selection is an utterly empty concept. It does no work; it explains nothing. Evolution is driven by natural history and genetic and phenotypic constraint. “Natural selection” adds nothing to our understanding of the process. Of course things change and survivors survive. Any real understanding of change in populations entails understanding the natural history of the changes and the biological constraints imposed by nature. Some of this evolutionary change is best explained as accidental . Some is best explained as design , and the conjunction of accident and design is where evolutionary change takes place. “Natural selection” is meaningless junk science — dismal logic put to the service of atheism. Darwinism is the most effective engine of atheism in modern times, except perhaps for consumer culture, for which Darwin bears some responsibility.
 
“Natural selection” adds nothing to our understanding of the process.
Seeing as natural selection is the main mechanism which drives evolution, that is a laugh out loud comment. It’s like saying that wings add nothing to our understanding of flight.

Way to go, Buff. Keep 'em coming!
 
I have every reason to believe that all memories will be retained.
Sounds like an eternal curse, not eternal Heaven. So Anita Cobby will always remember the horror of how she died? Adam and Eve will always remember that they were responsibile for the oceans of suffering that befell the human race?
 
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Seeing as natural selection is the main mechanism which drives evolution, that is a laugh out loud comment. It’s like saying that wings add nothing to our understanding of flight.

Way to go, Buff. Keep 'em coming!
It is over. Darwinism is dead.
 
It is over. Darwinism is dead.
Darwinism died about 1910 when it was replaced by the Modern Synthesis. In the 1950s with the advent of DNA sequencing that in its turn was replaced by the current theory of evolution.

Please do try to keep up, Buffalo.
 
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Thank you for that. Nearly everyone knows what I mean.

But I am glad you brought up the sequencing of DNA. The evidence derived from this has shown us clearly natural selection is incapable of doing what you all claimed for so long.
 
The evidence derived from this has shown us clearly natural selection is incapable of doing what you all claimed for so long.
No. Wrong again, Buffalo. Random mutation can make any and all possible changes to the DNA sequence; no sequence is excluded. Natural selection can select any and all advantageous DNA sequences; no advantageous sequence is excluded.

Show me a DNA sequence that cannot be produces by evolution.
 
No. Wrong again, Buffalo. Random mutation can make any and all possible changes to the DNA sequence; no sequence is excluded. Natural selection can select any and all advantageous DNA sequences; no advantageous sequence is excluded.

Show me a DNA sequence that cannot be produces by evolution.
A mutation that offers even a temporary survival advantage (rare) is costly in that genetic information is lost and the organism becomes less tolerant over time and drives it to extinction. We know this now. Natural selection operates by breaking and blocking. It should be called devolution because that is the net effect.
 
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A mutation that offers even a temporary survival advantage (rare) is costly in that genetic information is lost and the organism becomes less tolerant over time and drives it to extinction.
False. A mutation may decrease information, it may leave information unchanged or it may increase information. All three have been observed, repeatedly. Your initial premise is false so the rest of your argument fails.
We know this now. Natural selection operates by breaking and blocking. It should be called devolution because that is the net effect.
Natural selection does decrease information by removing maladaptive variants. However, random mutation is constantly introducing new information and new variants.

You need to include both processes in your argument.
 
False. A mutation may decrease information, it may leave information unchanged or it may increase information. All three have been observed, repeatedly. Your initial premise is false so the rest of your argument fails.
We know this now. Natural selection operates by breaking and blocking. It should be called devolution because that is the net effect.
You are citing the apparent immediate effects. Now, we have studied numerous genomes and have found the genetic load created by these mutations. They break genes. There may be a short term advantage, but over time it is swamped by the deleterious part. This causes the organism to be less adaptable than it once was. This is crucial. It is less able to adapt to the environmental pressures and eventually goes extinct.

Natural selection works below the family level, never above. It does not/cannot create novel features. We are sure of this now.
 
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More from the “magic” and “fantasy world” of natural selection and random mutations. We have to crack the fiendishly complex code… 😀

Move over, DNA. Life’s other code is more subtle and far more powerful​

Our cells use a sugary language to identify and interact with each other. Cracking it will let us marshal stem cells and create alternatives to antibiotics

Sugary handshakes aren’t just involved in baby-making. It turns out that every type of cell in our bodies has a unique sugar coating. And whenever anything interacts with a cell, it must recognise that sugar code and use the appropriate secret handshake. It happens when bacteria and viruses infect us, when a growing brain cell feels its way past its neighbours, and when our stem cells receive the marching orders that will define what type of tissue they will develop into.

Learn to read and write this sugary language, then, and we would have a powerful new way of intervening in cells’ activities to control disease and plenty besides. It won’t be easy. Unlike DNA, this code is fiendishly complex. But we are finally beginning to master the language of our cells

 
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Natural selection works below the family level, never above. It does not/cannot create novel features.
Your misunderstanding of evolution is obvious. No scientist expects natural selection to introduce new features; that is what random mutation does. If you are unable to tell the difference between random mutation and natural selection then you are sorely in need of a basic course in evolution.

Random mutation introduces new features; natural selection eliminates deleterious new features and spreads multiple copies of beneficial new features into future generations. Your failure to understand the difference between the two processes destroys your argument and also betrays your lack of relevant knowledge. Lack of knowledge can be cured by learning.
We are sure of this now.
The only person “sure” is yourself. Anyone with the relevant knowledge can see the very obvious flaw in your argument.
 
This is deserving of a separate thread.

In trying to relate it to the topic at hand, memory speaks to the unity of body and spirit, the organization of neurological processes along psychological lines of perception, cognition and action, all resting on the reality that the person is one whole being existing in relation to what is other to our being. It is this that was created in Adam, and manifested in every individual, unique and irreplaceable one of us. The oceans of suffering boil down to that of one person, since each of us feels our own pain, although in our compassion we are brought to pity and action, when we connect with that of others. Memories are of the past, and while set in stone, those events are no more; as we can move beyond them in life, we most definitely do so in paradise. This journey, played out in each of us, had a personal beginning which is an expression, of humanity, which began with one man, who became two, and fell, because of a choice we made.
 
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Unlike DNA, this code is fiendishly complex.
We should remember that DNA is but one part of the cell, whose processes allow for reproduction, as well as the anatomical and physiological events that define its role in the tissues and organ systems that constitute a living organism.

Ultimately, the reality is the creature itself, be it a cat or a cactus, participating in its environment. Each living thing demonstrates differences from others of its kind, within its own and in successive generations. Clearly, what Darwin observed was correct; the problem is with its interpretation then and now.

The issue now is the reductionism to the molecular, the claim that random changes in the genome could possibly result in all this diversity, each living thing, in harmony, within itself and its environment. What changes is the form of offspring, as total whole systems, from that of their progenitors. And, such differences are associated with what occurs in the parents’ environment. Analyzing the workings of the constituent parts reveals the awesome intricacies and magnitude of what occurs in life. While definitely, random changes can occur at any level of the structure, it is the unified whole that is a living thing that reproduces itself, having originated in the first of its kind.

We cannot scientifically know how creation came about, since with mankind, it ceased, in terms of bringing new kinds of things into existence. It’s not necessary that the first placental creature emerged from an egg. Either way, it was something new in the world, and not the final result of what would have to have been an infinitely long series of serendipitous changes to the DNA molecule, each step producing a viable phenotype. It seems to me, much easier to construct an adult form and then condense the very many components to get to the basic information, structure and processes necessary for an egg to develop into the particular creature-in-the-world.
 
Your misunderstanding of evolution is obvious. No scientist expects natural selection to introduce new features; that is what random mutation does.
You can add all the random mutation you want to NS. The result is still the same. Micro happens, macro does not. The long term effect is devolution and eventual extinction.
 
You can add all the random mutation you want to NS. The result is still the same.
Yes, the result is evolution. Changes are introduced and the beneficial changes are selected for and spread through the population.
Micro happens, macro does not.
Yawn. Do I have to pull out the Marbled Crayfish, yet again, as an obvious example of macroevolution? A NEW SPECIES. Did you get that? A NEW SPECIES. One which was caused by a single mutation. A new species which cannot breed with the species it evolved from. That is, by the standard scientific definition, macroevolution.

How many times have I posted that example? Four? Five? You are ignoring the evidence, buffalo.
The long term effect is devolution and eventual extinction.
Agreed. Most mammal species go extinct after about a million years or so. New species evolve to replace them. Eventually the sun will go out, in a few billion years, and all life on earth will go extinct.
 
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I have every reason to believe that all memories will be retained.
Sounds like an eternal curse, not eternal Heaven. So Anita Cobby will always remember the horror of how she died? Adam and Eve will always remember that they were responsibile for the oceans of suffering that befell the human race?
How do you know that your earthly memories will affect you in the same way in Heaven as do on earth?
 
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