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Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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Techno2000
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“But Jesus, who in this vision informed me of all that is needed by me, answered with these words and said: ‘It was necessary that there should be sin; but all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.’-Julian of Norwich
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Bradskii
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I have no idea whatsoever what that post is meant to imply.Bradskii:
“But Jesus, who in this vision informed me of all that is needed by me, answered with these words and said: ‘It was necessary that there should be sin; but all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.’-Julian of Norwich
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It means at the end of time everything is going work out just like God intend it to . He gonna wrap it up,and put a ribbon on it and, all shall be well.Techno2000:
I have no idea whatsoever what that post is meant to imply.Bradskii:
“But Jesus, who in this vision informed me of all that is needed by me, answered with these words and said: ‘It was necessary that there should be sin; but all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.’-Julian of Norwich
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I’m going to beat my children daily and torure them. I’m going to starve them and keep them tied up in the basement. I will emotionally and physically abuse them. But hey, it’ll be ok 'cos I’ll buy them an icecream when I’m done.It means at the end of time everything is going work out just like God intend it to . He gonna wrap it up,and put a ribbon on it and, all shall be well.
And how are all members of the animal kingdom going to have things put right? Animal heaven?
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Techno2000
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In the atheist world they don’t even get ice cream, so what’s your point ?
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Bradskii
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Too subtle for you, Techno.Bradskii:
In the atheist world they don’t even get ice cream, so what’s your point ?
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Edgar
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When I was born I didn’t have any memories. It didn’t seem to bother me. So why should being “born again” is Heaven without any memories be a problem?
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Edgar
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I would suggest that is an uninformed and superfical interpretation of that Scripture.
I believe the Christian understanding is, no human being entered Heaven or Hell until Jesus died on the cross. When Jesus died, He didn’t descend into the permanent Hell of the unsaved, but into a temporary “Hell” where the souls of all those humans who had died (pre-Cross) dwelled, awaiting Judgement.
So in the account you mention, the rich man was not in Hell and Lazarus was not in Heaven.
You’re a Buddhist, so I presume you believe in reincarnation. Do you remember your previous life and any family or friends from it? If not, has this caused you confusion are to who you are? And do you miss any family or friends from your previous life?
How did karma - a mindless force with no intelligence - determine what is good, neutral and evil?
Furthermore, karma must do a hell of lot more than be the author and master of morality. It must be also …
be aware of every deed of every human being,
judge every deed of every human being,
decide on a appropriate and perfectly just reward or punishment for every deed of every human being,
then pull the strings of the universe so that said reward or punishment for every deed is faultlessly administered to every human being.
So, in effect, karma does things only an omiscient, omnipotent God could do, but karma is actually a mindless force with no intelligence?! How does that even begin to make sense?
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- In a “near-death experience”, one’s brain doesn’t die - unlike in a “death experience”. So I wouldn’t read too much into accounts of such events.
- I have memories that haunt me like a curse. I am very much looking forward to being liberated from them when I die.
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THE
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PASSION OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST
JESUS SUFFERED TO SAVE THE WORLD
FROM THE MEDITATIONS OF
ANNE CATHERINE EMMERICH
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CHAPTER LIX
A Detached Account of the Descent into Hell
http://www.jesus-passion.com/THE_PASSION6.htm#CHAPTER LIX
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Bradskii
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You developed as a person as you stored memories. You are you because of them.Bradskii:
When I was born I didn’t have any memories. It didn’t seem to bother me. So why should being “born again” is Heaven without any memories be a problem?
Imagine waking up tomorrow and lying there with your eyes closed. You think: ‘I’ll have that muesli I bought yesterday after I’ve had a shower. Must finish the garden then before we go down the beach. Maybe walk along the coast and meet our daughter and the grandkids in the Cloey Hotel. The ol’ knee seems to be OK this morning."
You are Bradskii. Replace all your memories with mine and you become me. There’s no Edgar there any more. If you have no memories at all then who are you? You won’t even remember being a Catholic.
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Yes Bradskii, I’m gonna have to agree with you.Edgar:
You developed as a person as you stored memories. You are you because of them.Bradskii:
When I was born I didn’t have any memories. It didn’t seem to bother me. So why should being “born again” is Heaven without any memories be a problem?
Imagine waking up tomorrow and lying there with your eyes closed. You think: ‘I’ll have that muesli I bought yesterday after I’ve had a shower. Must finish the garden then before we go down the beach. Maybe walk along the coast and meet our daughter and the grandkids in the Cloey Hotel. The ol’ knee seems to be OK this morning."
You are Bradskii. Replace all your memories with mine and you become me. There’s no Edgar there any more. If you have no memories at all then who are you? You won’t even remember being a Catholic.
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StephieNorthCo
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Hmmm. A wee bit of biology might be involved too.
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Bradskii
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Granted. It would be a shock when you go for a shave. But you wouldn’t be thinking ‘what’s happened to my memories’. You’d be thinking: ‘Who’s the guy in the mirror’.
You’d be Bradskii with someone else’s body. Not Edgar with someone else’s mind.
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Exactly… who is who?
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Buddhist should be very thankful that they can’t remember anything from their previous lives - if these memories shape “who you are”, then one would end up very, very confused.
Hey, maybe that what causes a “split personality” - a muddlled mess of disparate memories of past lives.
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Edgar
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I must admit, if you had no memory of me, your life would be very much the poorer.
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Edgar
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When you were born, you had no memories - did that stop you?
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As with concepts in Christianity, there are different interpretations of the concept of reincarnation in Buddhism. For some we are reborn every instant of our lives because we change every instant of our lives.
Should I want to remember my previous lives before birth I can follow the instructions in Chapter 13 of the Visuddhimagga: “So a monk who is a beginner and wants to recollect in this way should go into solitary retreat on return from his alms round after his meal. …”
How does gravity - a mindless force with no intelligence - determine what is heavy or light. How can gravity weigh things if it does not have a set of scales?
We all carry our own accumulated karma with us; it is one of the five components that make up a human being. Gods and animals carry a similar component. It is a distributed database if you wish. Your individual karma only affects you, so all the data needed is ready to hand.
No judgement is involved. Actions have consequences, that is all. Karma attaches the consequence to the action. If you throw a stone straight up in the air and it comes down, hitting you on the head, has gravity “judged” you? You are projecting a property of the Abrahamic God onto karma, where is does not belong. There is no judgement, any more than gravity is judging you for throwing a stone in the air.
Did gravity “decide” to drop the pebble on your head. No, there is no decision here except your initial decision to throw the stone into the air. Actions have consequences. If you don’t want the consequences then don’t do the actions. Buddhism has neither sin nor forgiveness of sin. There are just actions and consequences, with no “Get out of karma free” cards.
Gravity does not “pull the strings of the universe” to cause its effects. Neither does karma.
You are projecting the properties of the Abrahamic God onto karma. Instead try projecting the properties of gravity; that is a much better analogy. It is not a sin against gravity to use a parachute for instance.
Buddhism is not an Abrahamic religion, and its approach can be very different.
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