Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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pulchraesamicamea said:
Since human genetics are crucial parts of our bodily systems, this system of mtDNA and Mitochondrial Eve can show that there might have been a common ancestor that we share through the female line (matrilineality).
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There was a Mitochondrial Eve. However, she is not the only common ancestor. Her parents are also common ancestors, her grandparents, her great-grandparents and so on back until they were almost-but-not-quite human. There are a great many possible couples to pick from. M-Eve is just the most recent of a very large number of possible matrilineal ancestors.
 
What I do and do not believe is irrelevant. God created things the way they are regardless of what I believe. All I can do is observe God’s work.

Evolution is a fact, a well established one at that. I don’t get to decide the mind of God, I can only seek to further understand it.
 
You are correct. However, I’m just trying to explain the inheritance of mtDNA and how Eve’s mtDNA could have been inherited maternally until now. Mitochondrial Eve is the most recent common ancestor, so yes, she might not have been the original Eve. From what I gathered from research of Mitochondrial Eve, her emergence is around 230 kya, and this is when Modern Human was thought to have emerged. This may just give a clue on Eve- at least part of it.
 
I actually thought about this for a long time after I got diagnosed with a genetic disease. I wondered, 'Why would God make me this way?" Then I just realized He just made me this way, and this is just His way of creating a unique person. I don’t seek to understand His purpose on making me with a genetic mutation, but I just understand that this is how He made me and I’m ok with that.

Pax Christi!
 
And God didn’t necessarily create you that way either, meaning that God didn’t purposely give you a disease. He made you and then the laws of physics set in.

Using the philosophical position of Panpsychism, it can be understand that God made disease and death and war and violence and all the other bad things about the world possible and then gave his creations the choice, the free will, to choose. We are often beholden to the choices of other humans and always beholden to the seemingly random choices of conscious, albeit not necessarily rational, fundamental particles.

Your disease, which I am very sorry about and hope that you are managing it well and living a happy and fulfilled life, is the result of a complex and lengthy process which God only set in motion and is not micromanaging. Understanding how and why genetic diseases occur and how we can prevent them from being passed down is a positive choice which can be made.

My point, I guess, is that God doesn’t make bad things happen on purpose, he makes it possible for them to happen, and then when they do happen, lets us decide how we deal with them. And in most cases, gives us the ability to prevent them from happening in the first place, as in the cases of war and violence and preventable diseases, among many others.
 
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Exactly. God is like a parent who sets two options on the table in front of a child, one good and one bad, and then lets the child choose. The child can choose to be a good person or bad person.
 
Hence why God gives us moral guidance. God is definitely making it clear which option is good and which is bad before the child chooses.
 
To prevent confusion, I inherited my mutation through autosomal recessive inheritance. My parents are completely healthy. They actually had no idea until I developed symptoms.
So, unless my partner has the mutation, my children would be unlikely to get the disease.

(Hopefully I’m not turning this thread into human genetics thread…)
 
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I read an article a while back, which I can’t seem to find, which was about how genetic manipulation through things like CRISPR can be used to delete bad genes, in the case of inheritance being more likely. There is a fairly large effort out there to eradicate genetic diseases, it’s just a very complex and thing and will certainly take time.
 
I heard this, too. I don’t think a cure will come up in my lifetime, though- there’s literally 30 types of my genetic disease and it will take an awfully long time to get all that figured out…
 
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Do you allow bad things to happen to your children?
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If i knew that helping them would lead to a greater evil, then No i would not stop potential evil from befalling them, obviously because my Goal is the greater good.

That’s not an emotionally satisfying answer, but there is no logical inconsistency in it.

The only question is, does God truly have a greater good in mind?

That can be very hard to discern, but i can at least imagine a possible situation where interference would lead to a greater evil, and one cannot possibly argue that such an interference would be okay if you knew that there was a greater good from not acting.
 
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My original point, in response to the question posed by the OP, is that what I think is irrelevant concerning whether evolution is true or not. It just is or isn’t regardless of what I believe.
 
PhiriTalk said:
Hence why God gives us moral guidance. God is definitely making it clear which option is good and which is bad before the child chooses.
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There was a child in Spain recently that fell down a disused shaft, not much bigger than the young boy. It took them 5 or 6 days to reach his body. What moral guidance did he have that would have prevented him dying such a hideous death?

I think that you need another shot at that.
 
The obviousness that falling in holes is bad. Critical thinking is among this moral guidance. It is parent’s responsibility to instill morals in their children, so that they can grow into autonomous adult humans, and not to micromanage every little thing about their child’s behavior.

The potential for critical thinking and rationality is not learned, it is inherent. A choice to foster this sort of thinking in yourself and others is a positive choice.
 
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Bradskii:
Do you allow bad things to happen to your children?
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If i knew that helping them would lead to a greater evil, then No i would not stop potential evil from befalling them, obviously because my Goal is the greater good.

That’s not an emotionally satisfying answer, but there is no logical inconsistency in it.

The only question is, does God truly have a greater good in mind?

That can be very hard to discern, but i can at least imagine a possible a situation where interference would lead to a greater evil, and one cannot possibly argue that such an interference would be okay if you knew that there was a greater good from not acting.
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So God has decided that allowing the child’s death is the only way of preventing a greater evil. It beats me what the point of being omnipotent is.

Does God answer prayers? I’m sure the kid’s parents were praying for him. But God effectively said: ‘Sorry, there’s nothing I could have done, and nothing I can do now. If I do save him, then there’s a greater evil coming that I can’t prevent’.

No miracles today, chico.

It’s not that it’s emotionally unsatisfying. It’s completely illogical.q
 
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If i knew that helping them would lead to a greater evil, then No i would not stop potential evil from befalling them, obviously because my Goal is the greater good. That’s not an emotionally satisfying answer, but there is no logical inconsistency in it. The only question is, does God truly have a greater good in mind? That can be very hard to discern, but i can at least imagine a possible a situation where interference would lead to a greater evil, and one cannot possibly argue that such a…
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The power of omnipotence doesn’t have to be exercised in an authoritarian fashion. What’s the point of free will, if God’s just gonna make your decisions for you?

Prayer isn’t like rubbing the lamp from Aladdin and making a wish, it’s a conversation. And God answers “nope” all the time.

God is above good and evil, it’s all gonna end up the same for God in the end, God’s gift is free will and ability to think and make choices. Things like murder which are so clearly wrong, that only someone who is actively choosing the bad choice would ever commit murder. God says “thou shall not kill”, super cut and dry.
 
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The obviousness that falling in holes is bad. Critical thinking is among this moral guidance. It is parent’s responsibility to instill morals in their children, so that they can grow into autonomous adult humans, and not to micromanage every little thing about their child’s behavior.

The potential for critical thinking and rationality is not learned, it is inherent. A choice to foster this sort of thinking in yourself and others is a positive choice.
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I’m sure the parents blamed themselves. And will for the rest of their lives. But how would you describe someone who might say to them that they were at fault and were being rightly punished for not developing critical thinking skills in a two year old?

I dunno. Maybe if they were omniscient they could have seen it coming and if they were omnipotent they could have orevented it.
 
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