Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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There is still no statement of origin there. I agree that those principles come with a more enlightened society, but I see it as an critical effort to better know the mind of God, or even for Cosmos to know itself.

I don’t necessarily agree with the golden rule in its absolute either, especially as I think I view morality as being fluid and subject to change. I don’t want to be treated as someone else would want to be treated, I want to be treated as I would want to be treated.
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The origin is back where these principles evolved. Way back. Pre society way back.

And the golden rule is to treat others as YOU would wish to be treated. Not as others would wish. So do you want to be robbed or beaten or cheated? No? Well, don’t rob, beat and steal. That’s where empathy comes in plus some reciprocal altruism - if you don’t beat me, I won’t beat you and if you help me then I will help you.

Instant morality…
 
Uh no. Micro is, macro is not.
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That is false.

So called “macro” and “micro” evolution are the literally the same process played out over different time spans.

Evolution is fact. You wanting it not to be doesn’t make it so.
 
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The origin is back where these principles evolved. Way back. Pre society way back. And the golden rule is to treat others as YOU would wish to be treated. Not as others would wish. So do you want to be robbed or beaten or cheated? No? Well, don’t rob, beat and steal. That’s where empathy comes in plus some reciprocal altruism - if you don’t beat me, I won’t beat you and if you help me then I will help you. Instant morality…
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So in this case, in primeval man’s system’s of belief, which often included supernatural elements and belief in the existence of deities?

And I don’t want to treat to others how I would want to be treated, I want to treat them as they would want to be treated. Empathy is taking the other person’s experience into account and behaving accordingly, not just me assuming that how I would want to be treated is how everyone else would want to be treated.
 
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Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true - #9066 by Bradskii

So in this case, in primeval man’s system’s of belief, which often included supernatural elements and belief in the existence of deities?

And I don’t want to treat to others how I would want to be treated, I want to treat them as they would want to be treated. Empathy is taking the other person’s experience into account and behaving accordingly, not just me assuming that how I would want to be treated is how everyone else would want to be treated.
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It wasn’t a primaeval system of belief. It was natural characteristics of behaviour that some early humans had that evolved and spread due to those characteristics being selected for because they improved the survivability of those who had them.

And hey, if someone enjoys being beaten and you don’t mind beating them, then go for it. The golden rule isn’t carved in stone. It’s a handy rule to live by. Not a law.
 
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It wasn’t a primaeval system of belief. It was natural characteristics of behaviour that some early humans had that evolved and spread due to those characteristics being selected for because they improved the survivability of those who had them. And hey, if someone enjoys being beaten and you don’t mind beating them, then go for it. The golden rule isn’t carved in stone. It’s a handy rule to live by. Not a law.
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I didn’t say the systems of belief held by primeval man is primeval, just that the humans of the time are primeval. It’s not a qualitative description.

It is a fact that the vast majority of human societies, during recorded history, have had some system of belief in the supernatural and that those holding these beliefs derived their systems of morality on these beliefs.

I want to know if you view morality as being hard coded in the genetics of humanity, or if its a social construct.

I see the golden rule, as an excuse to disregard the preferences and positions of other people. Nothing more.
 
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Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true - #9069 by Bradskii

I didn’t say the systems of belief held by primeval man is primeval, just that the humans of the time are primeval. It’s not a qualitative description.

It is a fact that the vast majority of human societies, during recorded history, have had some system of belief in the supernatural and that those holding these beliefs derived their systems of morality on these beliefs.

I want to know if you view morality as being hard coded in the genetics of humanity, or if its a social construct.

I see the golden rule, as an excuse to disregard the preferences and positions of other people. Nothing more.
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Morality was in place in some fashion before societies formed. It enabled societies to form. Religions codified what was already in existence.

So it is partly hard coded and partly based on society. Including religious beliefs (lots of ‘Thou shall not’ etc.).
 
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Morality was in place in some fashion before societies formed. It enabled societies to form. Religions codified what was already in existence. So it is partly hard coded and partly based on society. Including religious beliefs (lots of ‘Thou shall not’ etc.).
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What evidence is there to show these things? I’m not saying I disagree with you, I just want to see the evidence.
 
Evolutionary psychology itself appears to be unfalsifiable though. It reeks of dogma.
 
Evolution is inherently good or bad. It’s just a process that happens. And it literally does happen.

If one is to believe that God is the absolute creator of all that is, then it serves to reason that God created the process of evolution. You don’t get to tell God what to think.
 
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Evolutionary psychology itself appears to be unfalsifiable though. It reeks of dogma.
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Gee, you read through quite a lot of pages very quickly (6 minutes!) I wish I was as adept. It took me a couple of years to read through the literature to make a call. And you knew nothing at all about it before you started reading.

I’m impressed.
 
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