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buffalo
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Have you ever, posted a reference link to support your views? If any, not many. Evolution is true, just look it up on google.
Are you a computer program?
Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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Are you a computer program?
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Aloysium
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As an unrequested, probably unwanted personal heads up, I feel I have to comment that while this might have some impact on solidifying within you, your vision of the world, it goes nowhere as a communication; as will this post, I suppose. I would suggest that the idea that you present may have a relevance to yourself. It is always wise to examine from where one’s own views have developed. Regardless, it is best to think ignorance than malfeasance when considering motives. I’m utilizing that assumption right now, actually.
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buffalo
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Birds did not descend from dinosaurs.
Birdlike fossil challenges notion that birds evolved from ground-dwelling dinosaurs
The re-examination of a sparrow-sized fossil from China challenges the commonly held belief that birds evolved from ground-dwelling theropod dinosaurs that gained the ability to fly. The birdlike fossil is actually not a dinosaur, as previously thought, but much rather the remains of a tiny tree-climbing animal that could glide.
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buffalo
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Lack of continuity is a Darwin fail.
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buffalo
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C’mon - you are still sticking with this stuff?
After all the science links that say otherwise?
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RandomAlias
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There are many non-Catholics here. As a Catholic, I enjoy their participation.
Did you know that when Catholic Answers was originally founded, its target audience was non-Catholics?
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I snipped out the middle of what you said because I totally agree with it all. When I used the word “random,” I mean it in the sense that you described. That is, it may have a pattern to it that is only known to the mind of God, but that pattern is not visible to me. Therefore (and this is the important point) in formulating practical and scientifically-verifiable theories on how the world works, I must treat these events as random until such time as the pattern that was not visible to me becomes scientifically visible. Now I know that buffalo and his crew think they have found such a visibility in how the world works, and as such they think they have “caught God in the act” of doing his divine thing. I think they are wrong. If God wants to reveal his divine nature to us, He can do it. He has done it already in many ways. I just don’t think secret codes implanted in genetics is one of them.LeafByNiggle:
Things are called random when we have not discovered the underlying structure that constitutes the events in question.
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I think Christians who believe in evolution should focus on describing how this is supposed to have happened, for themselves if not to try to convince others.
Now when I said "in formulating practical and scientifically-verifiable theories on how the world works, I also placed an implicit limit on the applicability of these theories. These theories are not applicable to deciding questions of cosmology, like “Did God create the world,” or “Does God exist.” These questions are outside the bounds of applicability of scientific theories, which are really only for things like designing bridges, growing better corn, treating diseases, and finding relatives. I know that some, especially atheists, have broken this limit and attempted to apply evolutionary theories to their particular philosophy, and I can see how believers (such as myself) can be upset at that misuse of science. But the proper response to them is to point out the error of there application of science, rather than discredit the science itself.
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rossum
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So, what is the non-limited and non-exclusionary Intelligent Design explanation for the origin of intelligence?
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rossum
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If Feduccia is right then birds did not evolve from dinosaurs but instead they evolved from non-dinosaur non-birds like Scansoriopteryx.
If Feduccia is wrong then birds evolved from dinosaur ancestors. The majority of palaeontologists place Scansoriopteryx among the dinosaurs.
Either way, birds evolved from non-avian ancestors.
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rossum
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Do you have anything here more than personal opinion? Are you denying that those mutations exist?
At least I have “stuff”, you do not have anything.
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buffalo
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Why would you think they are secret? We just did not know about the codes. They are revealed.
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buffalo
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It is already been hashed over and over with you. You obviously are not convinced. I am not going to go over it again…unless… I could help someone new to the thread.
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buffalo
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We see this in many cases. A supposed mutational advantage, that has more severe deleterious effects not yet known or cited.
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Uriel1
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Correct, It is pretty evident that it may not be wise to drink milk from another species, let alone into adulthood. America has one of the biggest dairy intakes in the world, therefore more calcium, but probably the highest hip fracture rateUriel1:
We see this in many cases. A supposed mutational advantage, that has more severe deleterious effects not yet known or cited.
Go figure
LeafByNiggle
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If you mean they are revealed scientifically as messages from God, that has not happened.LeafByNiggle:
Why would you think they are secret? We just did not know about the codes. They are revealed.
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Bradskii
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Rossum is doing his best to be polite to a newbie.rossum:
As an unrequested, probably unwanted personal heads up, I feel I have to comment that while this might have some impact on solidifying within you, your vision of the world, it goes nowhere as a communication; as will this post, I suppose. I would suggest that the idea that you present may have a relevance to yourself. It is always wise to examine from where one’s own views have developed. Regardless, it is best to think ignorance than malfeasance when considering motives. I’m utilizing that assumption right now, actually.
The positions we take are generally based on the information we receive. If someone gives us incorrect information then we will take an incorrect position.
It is no small thing to call someone a liar. Where I come from it could well lead to a smack about the head. I think it wise to allow that someone has received incorrect info as opposed to deliberately lying and suggest as such.
Notwithstanding that, I don’t grant the same allowance to those who deliberately play fast and loose with the truth.
Let’s assume that Uriel is exhibiting the former.
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buffalo
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They are His signatures.
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Bradskii
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If we were talking about the benefifs of avoiding hip fractures as opposed to the benefits in aiding the evolutionary process then you might have a point.buffalo:
Correct, It is pretty evident that it may not be wise to drink milk from another species, let alone into adulthood. America has one of the biggest dairy intakes in the world, therefore more calcium, but probably the highest hip fracture rateUriel1:
We see this in many cases. A supposed mutational advantage, that has more severe deleterious effects not yet known or cited.
Go figure
But we weren’t so you don’t.
But welcome to the forum anyway.
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rossum
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All three have scientific credibility. For HbC see Modiano et al (2001) “Haemoglobin C protects against clinical Plasmodium falciparum malaria”. For Apo A-I Milano see Cheung et al (1988) “Characterization of A-I-containing lipoproteins in subjects with A-I Milano variant”. A search on Google Scholar will find more papers for both.
You have misread my point here. I was talking about Lactase persistence, not Lipase persistence. There are plenty of references in the Wikipedia article.
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Uriel1
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Forgive me; I mean lactase (relating to milk) persistence and the science on life expectancy and hip fractures is correctUriel1:
All three have scientific credibility. For HbC see Modiano et al (2001) “Haemoglobin C protects against clinical Plasmodium falciparum malaria”. For Apo A-I Milano see Cheung et al (1988) “Characterization of A-I-containing lipoproteins in subjects with A-I Milano variant”. A search on Google Scholar will find more papers for both.
You have misread my point here. I was talking about Lactase persistence, not Lipase persistence. There are plenty of references in the Wikipedia article.
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