Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Wozza said:
Don’t be nonsensical. Again, you have been found pushing arguments that even your own side don’t support. You stand alone with views that are yours alone.
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Unwilling to answer. I know why. It is you who are deflecting…
 
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Wozza:
Don’t be nonsensical. Again, you have been found pushing arguments that even your own side don’t support. You stand alone with views that are yours alone.
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Unwilling to answer. I know why. It is you who are deflecting…
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One more time from the top:
buffalo said:
Once again - undesigned darwinian macro-evolution evidence would falsify design.
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Utterly, completely and incontravertibly wrong. According to members of the Design Institiute themselves.

I’ve saved your ‘claim’. I’ll paste it whenever I’m in tbe mood.
 
Wozza said:
Utterly, completely and incontravertibly wrong. According to members of the Design Institiute themselves.

I’ve saved your ‘claim’. I’ll paste it whenever I’m in tbe mood.
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I want to know your claim.
 
I think I agree with all of that. But it still doesn’t answer the question.
 
Aloysium said:
I suppose this in support of a widely-held current world-view/assumption, which holds that Adam by necessity had to have been conceived in a womb. I don’t know, but it seems very convoluted, when God can just make him an adult, and teach him, being our first Parent.
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It’s widely held because it’s the reality we live in. When has anything in the universe ever been made fully formed? Is there a single example of that anywhere? Doesn’t seem to be the way God operates. No, it’s much more convoluted to say he must pop things into existence. It actually comes across as a lack of foresight. Of course, he could create like that. We’ve just never seen him do it.
Aloysium said:
He was resurrected, and we live in hope that we too will, at the end of time. Or, will we then have to go through an evolutionary process?
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It says there will be a new body. Why not build it like v1 of creation?
 
Techno2000 said:
But, having organisms to go through billions evolution is not ?
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Not for omnipotence. The universe was built over time. It’s creative power on display. Could God have popped Adam into existence a few thousand years ago? Sure. If that’s your argument why stop there though? Why not pop everything else right in with him? We can’t prove God didn’t pop things in in such a way that it just looks like culmination of long ages. We can’t prove he didn’t pop them in 5 minutes ago either. The swirling mystery of our existence plays out in a physical realm that operates in ordered ways.
 
So I ask you guys: why do you fight against Science so vehemently? At a minimum it strongly suggests that we evolved from other hominids. This doesn’t conflict with any Church teaching. Why is it such a problem for you?
 
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It’s widely held because it’s the reality we live in. When has anything in the universe ever been made fully formed? Is there a single example of that anywhere? Doesn’t seem to be the way God operates. No, it’s much more convoluted to say he must pop things into existence. It actually comes across as a lack of foresight. Of course, he could create like that. We’ve just never seen him do it.

Reality would be the relationship we have with everything, individually, and collectively share. Of one thing I am certain, although we can communicate, there are fundamental differences in our realities.

But, I do agree, things do not pop pop into existence, they are created, here and now, and when the firsts of all this was given existence.

Did water turn into wine? Did Jesus leave the tomb and return? Do you live in hope of a final resurrection? Did Jesus calm the seas and walk on water? Did Peter sink into the sea for a lack of faith? Were the sick healed and the dead risen? Was there a universal fall, requiring the incarnation, death and resurrection of the Word of God? Is God in fact God, transcendent and intimately in our lives, as He is with all of nature, such that, in Jesus’ words, “Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.”

Clearly your faith in evolution is great. Direct common ancestry appears as an illusion to me. I say it like I see it.
Hobgoblin said:
I think I agree with all of that. But it still doesn’t answer the question.
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The thing about questions is that they answer themselves. It can take a lot of work, but the question asked, receives a reply. Where it is not forthcoming, the reason is that it is irrational or the assumptions of which it has been constructed, have gone unrecognized.
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Hobgoblin said:
Your food doesn’t normally come from a bottomless basket or drop from the sky though.
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The universe came from less than the sky, it was brought into existence from nothing, and the creation of different kinds of things stopped after the “sixth day”.
 
This is what Behe claims - The conclusions of all studies is that evolutionary processes are only capable of driving changes at the level of species and genera, but not at the level of families or higher. Stated differently, evolution produces a limited number of changes and then no further significant change is possible.

Darwin Devolves Book Review - Thus this book. In it Behe makes the case that random mutation and natural selection are actually quite “ de volutionary”:
Darwinian evolution proceeds mainly by damaging or breaking genes, which, counterintuitively, sometimes helps survival. In other words, the mechanism is powerfully de volutionary. It promotes the rapid loss of genetic information. Laboratory experiments, field research, and theoretical studies all forcefully indicate that, as a result, random mutation and natural selection make evolution self-limiting. That is, the very same factors that promote diversity at the simplest levels of biology actively prevent it at more complex ones. Darwin’s mechanism works chiefly by squandering genetic information for short-term gain .
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A Review of Darwin Devolves. By Michael Behe. - CultureWatch

HarperOne, 2019. One of the leading pioneers in the intelligent design movement has been Michael Behe. In his first two books – Darwin’s Black Box:…
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Micro evolution - yes
Macro evolution - no
 
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