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friardchips
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Do you agree that there is some or any relation to meaning in the acts we carry out freely?Not under the control or in the power of another being or thing.
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Yes, we are acting under umbrella of meaning.Do you agree that there is some or any relation to meaning in the acts we carry out freely?
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friardchips
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So, “meaning” incorporates/embraces, our free actions?Yes, we are acting under umbrella of meaning.
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STT
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Yes.So, “meaning” incorporates/embraces, our free actions?
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friardchips
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Okay. So, if meaning embraces our free actions, then what is the relationship between the “free” aspect of our actions, and the meaning which embraces them?Yes.
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STT
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The meaning reinforces our actions and gives them direction (we are still free to act when there are options).Okay. So, if meaning embraces our free actions, then what is the relationship between the “free” aspect of our actions, and the meaning which embraces them?
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friardchips
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Actions are embraced within meaning, and it is meaning which guides our actions, and so, the freedom aspect of our actions, is the ability to be guided by that meaning in our actions or to choose to act according to other sub-set principles?The meaning reinforces our actions and gives them direction (we are still free to act when there are options).
With this theory in mind, what is the relationship between freedom and meaning, if there is any?
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The set of principles which can guide our action can only be obtained from meaning.Actions are embraced within meaning, and it is meaning which guides our actions, and so, the freedom aspect of our actions, is the ability to be guided by that meaning in our actions or to choose to act according to other sub-set principles?
Meaning limits freedom.With this theory in mind, what is the relationship between freedom and meaning, if there is any?
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friardchips
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In other words, everything contains meaning, right? There is a meaning for everything?The set of principles which can guide our action can only be obtained from meaning.
The only relationship between meaning and freedom is that freedom is limited by meaning, or even void of meaning?Meaning limits freedom.
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Vonsalza
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This is an axiom you may hold, but it isn’t necessarily true. I, for one, reject it.That is a failure on God side if He could not convince His creatures that He is just.
You think every judge has managed to convince the convicted of the justice of the verdict?
Of course not.
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We are talking about an omniscient being who is infinite playing a simple game to convince finite beings like us. Do you really believe on that?This is an axiom you may hold, but it isn’t necessarily true. I, for one, reject it.
You think every judge has managed to convince the convicted of the justice of the verdict?
Of course not.
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reggieM
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How do you plan on paying back the damage done by all of your sins?
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Paying how? Being tortured? God and people can simply forgive.How do you plan on paying back the damage done by all of your sins?
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reggieM
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I asked you the question. You tell me how. They’re your sins. It’s the evil you have done. Tell me how you’re going to repay all of that.Paying how?
You can’t answer it?
You’re saying that God is going to forgive your sins?God and people can simply forgive.
I’m tempted to call you simply dishonest, or at least willfully-confused. I would even go farther but if you fail to respond to direct questions it’s difficult to judge your motives here.
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STT
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By repenting to myself. That should be enough for God and people who are Godly.I asked you the question. You tell me how. They’re your sins. It’s the evil you have done. Tell me how you’re going to repay all of that.
You can’t answer it?
I am not either dishonest or confused. Forgiveness should be easy for God and those people with clean heart. There is something wrong with your heart if you cannot forgive easy.You’re saying that God is going to forgive your sins?
I’m tempted to call you simply dishonest, or at least willfully-confused. I would even go farther but if you fail to respond to direct questions it’s difficult to judge your motives here.
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reggieM
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You have stated frequently that you do not believe God exists.
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STT
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So what?You have stated frequently that you do not believe God exists.
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reggieM
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RM How do you plan on paying back the damage done by all of your sins?
STT God can simply forgive.
RM You’re saying that God is going to forgive your sins?
STT Forgiveness should be easy for God
RM I’m tempted to call you simply dishonest, or at least willfully-confused since, you have stated frequently that you do not believe God exists.
STT So what?
STT God can simply forgive.
RM You’re saying that God is going to forgive your sins?
STT Forgiveness should be easy for God
RM I’m tempted to call you simply dishonest, or at least willfully-confused since, you have stated frequently that you do not believe God exists.
STT So what?
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rinnie
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I disagree. As a rule most people who have a hard time forgiving another is usually hurt very bad by that person.By repenting to myself. That should be enough for God and people who are Godly.
I am not either dishonest or confused. Forgiveness should be easy for God and those people with clean heart. There is something wrong with your heart if you cannot forgive easy.
As far as forgiveness it is actually promised to us by God, all we have to do is truly be sorry and repent and he will forgive us. Where did you ever get the notion God is unforgiving??
God tells us we have to forgive, but sometimes its harder then others.
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