Wicca: Just how dangerous is it?

[Lokabrenna]

send them to me I certainly can use them!

Me too! Some of that stuff is expensive! I saw a quartz crystal point at a psychic fair once. They were charging $60 for it! I used to be able to get beautiful rose quartz pieces for FREE near my house.

Statues are another story, one of those can easily set me back $60 (not including shipping). Unfortunately, we don’t have stores like Catholics do, where you can get statues for cheap-ish.

I’m not even going to guess at the combined total of all the Pagan-y books I own, and my library is tiny compared to some.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I think I mentioned earlier in this thread that I had previously been involved in the occult before I converted…and I do still have a lot of all of those things packed away in the garage. How do you suggest “destroying” all of these things? A lot of them are metal, statues, etc; would sending it all to the dump be considered destroying them?
I have a lot of crystals…and those, I would not like to destroy, even though they were used in rituals etc. I was thinking of just submerging them in Holy Water, and then putting them away as they are beautiful. But even this reminds me of a pagan cleansing ritual! So I have just kept them all away until further notice…
Thanks for any (name removed by moderator)ut.

I would break anything breakable such as ceramic or stoneware statuary. Then I would sprinkle the pieces with holy water, and dispose of them. The metal pieces may be able to be recycled, metal fetches top dollar these days. I would not send them as is to the dump. I would beat them with a hammer until they are unrecognizable. And then take them to recycling, if they will take them. Sprinkle with holy water before taking them.

Sorry, but the crystals, IMO, have to go as well. I had several and one set into a pentagram that I used to wear all the time. I smashed it. I don’t want anything connected with the occult anywhere around me. And I don’t want anything I used to fall into another’s hands and pull them down into a dark world.

 

[Publisher]

I would break anything breakable such as ceramic or stoneware statuary. Then I would sprinkle the pieces with holy water, and dispose of them. The metal pieces may be able to be recycled, metal fetches top dollar these days. I would not send them as is to the dump. I would beat them with a hammer until they are unrecognizable. And then take them to recycling, if they will take them. Sprinkle with holy water before taking them.

Sorry, but the crystals, IMO, have to go as well. I had several and one set into a pentagram that I used to wear all the time. I smashed it. I don’t want anything connected with the occult anywhere around me. And I don’t want anything I used to fall into another’s hands and pull them down into a dark world.

To my “ear”…“ritually” breaking things and sprinkling them with “holy water” with an intention to cleanse them…sounds very much like a Wiccan cleansing ritual…less the breaking…but the intention of cleansing the items and sprinkling with blessed salted water.

What’s one man’s magic is another mans prayer…seems to me:shrug:

 

[Lokabrenna]

To my “ear”…“ritually” breaking things and sprinkling them with “holy water” with an intention to cleanse them…sounds very much like a Wiccan cleansing ritual…less the breaking…but the intention of cleansing the items and sprinkling with blessed salted water.

What’s one man’s magic is another mans prayer…seems to me:shrug:

Sometimes there is ritual “breaking” involved, if the object represents something the person wants to “get rid of” in their life. I remember we had a similar ritual at my church. It was prior to making my first Reconciliation, but I remember writing something on paper (sins, perhaps?) and then we burned them.

In case it isn’t clear, this was at a Catholic church.

 

[Patavium]

To my “ear”…“ritually” breaking things and sprinkling them with “holy water” with an intention to cleanse them…sounds very much like a Wiccan cleansing ritual…less the breaking…but the intention of cleansing the items and sprinkling with blessed salted water.

What’s one man’s magic is another mans prayer…seems to me:shrug:

Are you saying that the practices described in the Bible of blessing, fasting, and others as were instructed by God the same as incantations to entities by Wiccans?

 

[PJM]

=Holly3278;9342214]Hey everyone. At one time I used to be a Wiccan. A Wiccan is basically a witch. Wicca is an Occult religion although some will disagree with that. Most will agree that it is a Neopagan religion. That said, just how spiritually dangerous is Wicca? Considering that it is at least related to the Occult, isn’t there a danger of demonic possession and other problems for practitioners?

**REPLY TO THE OP QUESTION

WILL FIRE BURN YOU?

SO WILL WICA**

gOD bLESS,
PAT /pjm

 

[Publisher]

Are you saying that the practices described in the Bible of blessing, fasting, and others as were instructed by God the same as incantations to entities by Wiccans?

What I’m saying is that one person who worships the Christian God performs rituals and rites and performs “oblations” are seen as no different to a Wiccan/Pagan as what they do. “Clerical magic” vs ‘natual magic’ appears to be pretty much the same not only in practice but intent as well…one makes incantations to align one self to the Gods…the other makes ritual prayers to align oneself to God’s will…the “outcome” is to cause the deity one is addressing to aid the supplicant…I realize Christians believe what they do is not “magic” since they call it “prayer and ritual”…yet the Wiccan/Neo-Pagan uses "spoken “prayer/spells: and ritual” to achieve the same end…union and conformity of will to a specific deity…I understand Christians don’t like their practices “equivicated” with paganism…but we have two separate faith traditions here…my Wiccan friends do not see what liturgical Christians with their rites and rituals doing anything different than what they do in their rites and rituals…to them…it’s the same…deities are different…practice and symbolism…seems very very similar to me.

 

[Publisher]

Are you saying that the practices described in the Bible of blessing, fasting, and others as were instructed by God the same as incantations to entities by Wiccans?

Yes I am…prayers, blessings and fasts to the Christian God…prayers blessings and fasts to the Pagan Gods…deity is different…practice and intent are pretty much identical…just a different framework is used utilizing different “belief/myths” to achieve the same thing.

Because I do not embrace the Pagan Gods but the Christian God…I SEE A DIFFERENCE because my faith and deity is different…but “magick is magick”…“prayer is prayere”…“intent is intent”…perhaps the object of devotion is different…but the similarities are striking when one isn’t seeking to be offended by the comparison…I am not offended by the comparison…take no offense where no offense is offered friend.

 

[Patavium]

Merinass,

There is also an important difference. Christians pray for GOD’S WILL in their lives even ABOVE their very own will. We TRUST God. When you cast spells do you want this entity’s will on your life? Do you wish for these entities to guide you in your life? or is it just asking favors out of these entities? That is a key difference. We talk to God, We let Him know what He already knows, and We ask for His help. Above all, we ask to follow His wishes, not ours.

Publisher,

It is the same end? Do Wiccans put their trust completely on these entities they invoke through incantation and spells?

Do you pray to God for all that your heart desires? or Do you pray to God for His Will in your life?

I recommend to exercice caution in comparing two different kinds of “fruits”, and to not be too open so quickly. You know as well as me that God indicates to worship only HIM. It is in the Bible, right?

 

[TheRealJuliane]

To my “ear”…“ritually” breaking things and sprinkling them with “holy water” with an intention to cleanse them…sounds very much like a Wiccan cleansing ritual…less the breaking…but the intention of cleansing the items and sprinkling with blessed salted water.

What’s one man’s magic is another mans prayer…seems to me:shrug:

There is no ritual here. It is destruction of objects connected with ritual. Simple destruction. The holy water isn’t necessary, I just like to use holy water!



I performed no rituals when I destroyed my possessions. I simply took them out to my concrete driveway and applied a hammer until they were unrecognizable. Then I disposed of them. I should have taken the sterling silver and sold it, but at the time, silver wasn’t as high as it is now. If I had sold it, I would have donated the money to the Church.

 

[Publisher]

Publisher,

It is the same end? Do Wiccans put their trust completely on these entities they invoke through incantation and spells?

Do you pray to God for all that your heart desires? or Do you pray to God for His Will in your life?

I recommend to exercice caution in comparing two different kinds of “fruits”, and to not be too open so quickly. You know as well as me that God indicates to worship only HIM. It is in the Bible, right?

I seek to be at the center of His will in all things…I seek to conform my life and actions to share in the “incarnation” in my world.

Your recommendation is noted…God is present in all men…the “Light Within” illuminates each heart and calls each to Truth…no matter what you or the others who follow Christ beleive about Wicca/Neo-Pagans…they STILL bear the Mark of the Light that calls them to wholeness…they may undertake a circumnavigation route to God thru their beliefs…but the too are seeking to find wholeness…my faith in God isn’t so fragile, I cannot see the similarities we use to seek the Eternal…to me…it is a small testament that the same Light operates in both of us…Christian or Pagan…when I discuss faith with my Wiccan friends…I seek to “speak to that of God” within them…the same God who indwells me…just because we “imagine” God differently…doesn’t mean He is absent from His Call to them to Seek Him.

 

[Patavium]

I seek to be at the center of His will in all things…I seek to conform my life and actions to share in the “incarnation” in my world.

Your recommendation is noted…God is present in all men…the “Light Within” illuminates each heart and calls each to Truth…no matter what you or the others who follow Christ beleive about Wicca/Neo-Pagans…they STILL bear the Mark of the Light that calls them to wholeness…they may undertake a circumnavigation route to God thru their beliefs…but the too are seeking to find wholeness…my faith in God isn’t so fragile, I cannot see the similarities we use to seek the Eternal…to me…it is a small testament that the same Light operates in both of us…Christian or Pagan…when I discuss faith with my Wiccan friends…I seek to “speak to that of God” within them…the same God who indwells me…just because we “imagine” God differently…doesn’t mean He is absent from His Call to them to Seek Him.

I can agree with this! yes

God bless!

 

[Publisher]

There is no ritual here. It is destruction of objects connected with ritual. Simple destruction. The holy water isn’t necessary, I just like to use holy water!



I performed no rituals when I destroyed my possessions. I simply took them out to my concrete driveway and applied a hammer until they were unrecognizable. Then I disposed of them. I should have taken the sterling silver and sold it, but at the time, silver wasn’t as high as it is now. If I had sold it, I would have donated the money to the Church.

But use the holy water you did…and I’m sure with the holy water you uttered an “incantation”…aka “prayer” to God…you practiced from a Wiccan standpoint…“magick”…you just don’t call it that…but THEY do.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Publisher,

It is the same end? Do Wiccans put their trust completely on these entities they invoke through incantation and spells?

Do you pray to God for all that your heart desires? or Do you pray to God for His Will in your life?

I recommend to exercice caution in comparing two different kinds of “fruits”, and to not be too open so quickly. You know as well as me that God indicates to worship only HIM. It is in the Bible, right?

Bear in mind that you are talking to a Quaker. Not a Catholic.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

But use the holy water you did…and I’m sure with the holy water you uttered an “incantation”…aka “prayer” to God…you practiced from a Wiccan standpoint…“magick”…you just don’t call it that…but THEY do.

NO, I didn’t "utter an incantation!"



I SMASHED THE STUFF WITH A HAMMER, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!

:banghead::banghead:

 

[Publisher]

NO, I didn’t "utter an incantation!"



I SMASHED THE STUFF WITH A HAMMER, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!

:banghead::banghead:

So…you didn’t utter a prayer with the smashing? Hmmm…odd to smash trinkets and statues of demonic visage…and not utter any prayer of protection…also called an “incantation” by my Wiccan friends…YOU may not call it that…but as I said…THEY DO. I understand…to you it was not an incantation…but to a Wiccan…different story.

Remember…I’m a thick headed Quaker…you got to remember that…I’m not Catholic.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

So…you didn’t utter a prayer with the smashing? Hmmm…odd to smash trinkets and statues of demonic visage…and not utter any prayer of protection…also called an “incantation” by my Wiccan friends…YOU may not call it that…but as I said…THEY DO. I understand…to you it was not an incantation…but to a Wiccan…different story.

Remember…I’m a thick headed Quaker…you got to remember that…I’m not Catholic.

Yeah I can see that you are thick-headed. Once more and then I’m done.

I SMASHED THE STUFF WITH A HAMMER. NO PRAYERS WERE SPOKEN. I THREW ALL OF IT AWAY WHEN IT WAS UNRECOGNIZABLE AND UNUSABLE.

 

[Merinass]

So…you didn’t utter a prayer with the smashing? Hmmm…odd to smash trinkets and statues of demonic visage…and not utter any prayer of protection…also called an “incantation” by my Wiccan friends…YOU may not call it that…but as I said…THEY DO. I understand…to you it was not an incantation…but to a Wiccan…different story.

Remember…I’m a thick headed Quaker…you got to remember that…I’m not Catholic.

whats a Quaker? This is a new one to me.

 

[FabiusMaximus]

whats a Quaker? This is a new one to me.

A Quaker is a Christian group that was influenced by the Anabaptists (one of the early reformist groups). They are known for their friendly, pacifist nature. Formally called the ‘Society of Friends.’

 

[Merinass]

Me too! Some of that stuff is expensive! I saw a quartz crystal point at a psychic fair once. They were charging $60 for it! I used to be able to get beautiful rose quartz pieces for FREE near my house.

Statues are another story, one of those can easily set me back $60 (not including shipping). Unfortunately, we don’t have stores like Catholics do, where you can get statues for cheap-ish.

I’m not even going to guess at the combined total of all the Pagan-y books I own, and my library is tiny compared to some.

Shoot man if I could put a price tag on it…we are talking THOUSANDS. Not sure where you are from but you can mine or at least buy crystals cheap in Arkansas. I mean we are talking dirt cheap. I still have a lot of my stones and been using my black river stone to put out the aches in my muscles. Where I am living I can’t get comfortable to trance and get them out myself. BUT I should be moving in a week or two so things will be back to normal. I play on going to New Orleans…they got shops there from what I understand that are awesome. Can’t wait to get back to my chakra work, energy alignments etc.
One thing I really wish the folks here would understand is that this form of ‘magic’ actually is nothing more than learning to draw on what the Creator made. There is no demon in a rose quartz…no devil in a bag of lavender…and our brains have so much capacity to heal and help us that is yet untapped. That is why its natural magic…it’s using nature or more accurately attuning with Her. After all if you are always looking up you never look around and regardless of your beliefs this planet was created to be our home. Everything we could ever need is right here.