Wiccan/Paganism

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…am not wiccan…Yes, I have even studied Catholicism. I appreciate a lot of things about every religion. I was simply trying to point out that the experiences I have had with being a pagan have been completely positive and that is the reason I chose to become a pagan. I never felt left-out or different just because I was different than the pagan communities I have become involved with…
Excuse me, but I hadn’t read this when I posted. In researching paganism and Wicca, the authors go back and forth over whether to use those interchangeably, and the “And do no harm, then do as you will” set me off in the direction of thinking your paganism was of the Wicca variety.

Speaking of which, if one does research on the paganism that is not Wicca, some of those folks are just plain scary, although somewhat less so when you realize that they are probably no more than in love with the idea of being scary than anything else. I guess I’m just saying that saying “I’m pagan” does not say a lot about what you believe or practice.

On the note of being completely positive…be ready for when that stops happening. People are people. It is part of the cycle of life for a person to stop being “normal” every once in awhile. Your community may need you to be part of that force that naturally dissipates storms that arrive. (And maybe you are part of it, already.)
 
I first want to say that it sounds like you’re very happy with your religion, so I’m very happy for you. Second of all, I believe (and this is my BELIEF, so it isn’t a generally accepted rule or anything like that) that being wiccan and being pagan are two completely different things. I am not wiccan.

I used to be a Christian. To be specific, I used to be a Missouri Synod Lutheran. And it satisfied me until I had more questions that couldn’t be answered. I didn’t understand why it was such a bad thing to be open to all religions, so I chose not to continue on that path and to forge my own path. It brought me to paganism, and I am happy with my path. I hope that your path brings you to what you are hoping for. My path is taking me where I want to be. If you believe I will go to hell for living my life the way I want to, so be it. Maybe I will. But if God is so understanding and kind and the kind of deity that wants his believers to be happy, I can’t understand why he would damn me when all I’m trying to do is live this life He gave me to the fullest. Maybe my path will bring me down the path to Christianity again, though I don’t believe it will. I hope you live your life happily, and I hope you wish me the same.
 
I like this site because it is a good place for debate, learning, and creative thinking at times. Because of my faith differing so greatly from yours, it is difficult to respond without any sort of offense. You have requested that response, but in all honesty, it is not my place place to judge another. You can live in what I call a “Christ-like” way, but you would want to use another term.

You should not have to tolerate discrimination at any time. I have that a lot myself for being Christian and sometimes it does hurt. But I feel confident in my faith as I am sure you do, so I can deal.

Best of luck to you. I am sure you are living a sound and good life.
 
Hi,

It says I haven’t posted here in awhile, so here is my first new post since a few months ago I think.
I’ll try keeping it short but it may drag out due to me having to explain some things.
My wife grew up in a pretty strict Christian household. Her family are members of the church of the Nazarine. Before we moved and got our own house, which we rent. I went to church with them. My wife and I are both blind and to stop any questions about how we use computers…We use screen reading software just google screen reader or talking computer and you will come up with things. Ok, so back to what I was saying-- my family who is catholic wad disappointed that we went to the justice of the peace to get married rather than in a Catholic church. We did this because at the time my Mom wanted us, meaning me and my girlfriend who is now my wife to finnish college because she thought that we could get jobs then.
But we were going to fail anyway because the Pennsylvania state agency did not provide us with adequate tools in order to do our classwork effectively. For example we were studying foreign languages and we needed books in braille among other things. So we got married, dropped out of college and I lived with her at her parents’ house for at least nine months. First, I felt uncomfortable
 
with her at her parents’ house for at least nine months. First, I felt uncomfortable in their church. And my wife just did not like going to church at
all. Then within a few months she got pregnant and now we have such a cute wonderful little boy named Aaron! He is not blind, he can see. And he’s always
happy and loves learning new things. he just turned a year old last month and we love him lots! Anyway,
I felt uncomfortable in her parents’ church. They had communion one time and without asking someone in her family just grabbed me and took me up to the
alter. Not knowing what to do, I just stood there. Then I was given a cracker and grape juice. Since they really only believe that it’s a symbol I guess
I can call it that? So anyway I was hesitant, then someone asked me if I wanted it. So I at that point just felt embarrased and ate and drank it, the whole
time feeling odd inside because well it’s not really the real thing. So then child services got involved shortly after the baby was born and were going
to take him away most likely they thought we couldn’t take care of a baby because we are blind, among other things. So I got in touch with the president
of the National Federation of the Blind in Pennsylvania and we got that straightened out so we have our baby/toddler now. Anyway, my wife has gotten into
Reiki. I wanted to research it because sending energy to people sounded a bit proposterous and a bit unusual. I found some conflicting opinions on it and
then came across a website christianreiki.org I think it is. She then recently told me she had joined a religious organization called the order of the
white moon. This appears to be a pegan or some offshoot of Wicca. I think what she’s doing is trying to find where she belongs in some type of religion.
She has some problems with the catholic religion. And I’m not quite sure how to approach her on some subjects because I don’t know. And then she says something
like: “well you’re not a good catholic then if you don’t know this stuff.” And I don’t have a response so I let it drop. ok. let me list the problems she
has, then maybe some of you people can help me out ok? by the way I’m 25 years old and she is 23 years old.
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  1. Her biggest problem is that women can’t be priests. She feels the church is male dominated and that women are not equal in the church.
  2. She is questioning whether or not Jesus is the only way to heaven or if there are other ways she thinks there may be other ways or other means.
  3. She says that she is against organized religion. Yet today she said if the pope came to our city, she would go to mass if the pope was saying it. She
    says she is against organized religion, but since she has joined the order of the white moon, she is a member of an organized religion, it’s just that
    the organization is not a group of people in a building headed by a visible leader that you can talk to and things. Ok so advice on helping her on her
    spiritual journey would be welcome. Oh also, with me…Due to the fact that the VR agency has low expectations for blind people in this state, I am working
    with the NFB president (national federation of the blind–, president) to make the agency to pay for me to go to an NFB training center in Colorado for
    eight months. I feel this will be good in the longrun for my wife and son even if my side of the family who is catholic doesn’t think so. I too am catholic
    by the way. At the center i will be instructed by other blind people Everyone who works there are blind adaults. So all my instructors will be blind. I
    will learn far superior travel skills than those taught by the sighted people who work for the state agency as well as cooking, wood working using power
    tools like electric saws and things, technology and much more. What do you all think of this decision for me to leave for eight months in order to make
    my family’s life the best it can be? I don’t want us living on SSI our whole lives if I can help it. Also I talked to Julie Deden, the woman who is blind
    and who is the director of the center…by the way these people are totally blind, they have no sight at all, or very little sight. Like the catholic church
    is the true and first Christian church. The nfb is the oldest and most stable blindness organization who advocate for what blind people need to be successful.
    The ACB is more recent and I, personally do not recommend them other than their acbradio.org site. if you want, feel free to email me outside of the forum
    at: I will spell this out.
    jkenn337 at sign gmail dot com
    at sign is @ and dot is the . … So any advice or suggestions you have would be welcome. Also, due to our having received less than adequate rehab instruction
    while growing up, the state calls it rehab, the NFB does not think of blind people as needing to be rehabilitated they hld extremely high expectations
    of us and yes the first month or so at the center for me from what I hear will be very rigorous. So feel free to contact me on any or all of these issues
    that I have brought up.
Josh*
 
Hi again,
I also wanted to say, I talked to Julie Deden from the Colorado NFB center about my family and that i want to be able to see my wife and son when i’m there. She told me that they can come visit anytime and stay in my apartment as long as my roommate is ok with it. She also said they will pay for me to go visit my wife and son every two months or so. I’m so glad I chose to go to that NFB center. There are only three or four in the country. The people there seem very nice. And when I finally gain the independence and confidence I need and have the potential to acquire, I can go back to church again! so far I just watch mass on EWTN and things. The state o&m program for adaults is not effective at least in Pennsylvania it isn’t.
 
Hello,
Also due t the agency’s unwillingness to keep my screen reader up to date. People have given me cracked coppies or illegal coppies of software. The agency says if I don’t have a job and am not in school then I do not need such software. Could a church or some organization buy me Window-Eyes, so I don’t have to keep pirating illegal coppies of Jaws? I prefer Window-eyes. It is easier to use and much more easy to customise than Jaws is. Problem is these screen readers costs $1000 or more. Except for System access that costs $400 or $500 for the license and the mobile option. There is also the free system access to go. www.satogo.com if anyone wants to try it out.
 
Hi,
Since my wife is into Wicca. I read on another forum about this. Could someone get me books on catholic mysticism? also how can I make her realise that women are very important and definitely equal in the church? Since she likes the order of the white moon which is a nature based and multi–god-based religion that also has spirits and things, perhaps reading about similar things in Catholocism could take her out of such practices? I don’t want her to go to hell and I also want to love her and be happy which I do love her, but I think she’s going well away from Christianity out of perhaps rebelling against the very narrow view that her family which is borderline fundamentalist has of it. or her mom and others appear to be nearly fundamentalists to me. So maybe it’s my wife’s way of rebelling against it. But she was never exposed to Mary growing up as she should have been, among many other things she missed out on. I took her to a charismatic mass once when we were in college. Perhaps she liked the experience and decided to see if she could reproduce it herself? Also she says she can feel energy such as the wireless signal generated by our wi-fi wireless router for the internet. Why don’t I feel such energy then? It has to be there, the router is generating a frequency which is of course, energy of some sort. Someone said if I’m not mistaken that catholics can “do this too?” if so, how?
 
So, what are all of your opinions on Wiccan/Pagan beliefs? Just wondering, since I face discrimination based on my religion (Wicca) from many Catholic churches. Nasty stares, rude comments, outright lies and once, someone even went as far as to try and convert me on the public bus. Just wondering why so many people are against it, and why.
Simply put, the reason why Christians are against it is because it is a direct violation of God’s commandments and divine will for us and is opposed in every way to the Christian faith.

You shouldn’t receive nasty stares or rude comments about it though. You are a human being just like us trying to make our way in the world.

MW
 
Wasn’t it the opinion of the early Church fathers that the Roman, Greek, Egyptian false-gods were actually demons?

Why wouldn’t it be the same with modern Wicca?
The ECF’s were right. Those false gods are actually demons in disguise.

Peace…

MW
 
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