Wife asked to sponsor H.S. Gay-Lesbian-Straight club at school

[Annn]

I suppose I disagree about the [many] goals of schooling. Academic training is only one of the goals of schooling. (Anyone who teaches education at a college level will tell you that).

 

[lizaanne]

I suppose I disagree about the [many] goals of schooling. Academic training is only one of the goals of schooling. (Anyone who teaches education at a college level will tell you that).

We are not talking about college level, teaching legal adults, many of whom are out on their own. This discussion is about high school age children.

Yes - socialization, organizational skills, responsibility, leadership - these are all important things children should be learning at a young age, in addition to their studies. HOWEVER - sexual orientation, contraception, morality, religion - are topics I don’t want my children trusted to a public school system! These are topics to be discussed IN THE HOME.

~Liza

 

[Annn]

I would not dicuss sexuality or morality with students, regardless of whether I agreed with them. But I do think it is within my realm of responsibility to direct them to available resources: guidance counselors, administrative staff, school psychologists, and community youth centers, which, at least where I live, offer varied services to LGBT youth.

 

[estesbob]

I suppose I disagree about the [many] goals of schooling. Academic training is only one of the goals of schooling. (Anyone who teaches education at a college level will tell you that).

Which is the basic problem of education schools. They appear to place "social responsibility"ahead of everything else. Thus us employers get stuck with employees who feel very entitield, are very socially concious and have to be taught the basic skills that used to be acquired in High School. They cause huge friction is the office enviroment becuase they feel they know as much or more than the people who have been there for years -inlcuding their bosses. It takes about 3 months for them to realize they dont know everything, another three months to realize they dont know anything and then and only then can we start to work with them.

 

[Annn]

And I wasn’t referring to teaching on a college level, I was referring to what teachers-in-training are taught about their roles in children’s lives, which include making ALL students feel comfortable.

 

[Annn]

Which is the basic problem of education schools. They appear to place "social responsibility"ahead of everything else. Thus us employers get stuck with employees who feel very entitield, are very socially concious and have to be taught the basic skills that used to be acquired in High School. They cause huge friction is the office enviroment becuase they feel they know as much or more than the people who have been there for years -inlcuding their bosses. It takes about 3 months for them to realize they dont know everything, another three months to realize they dont know anything and then and only then can we start to work with them.

Oh, spare me. People can be taught “social responsibility” and formal academics at the same time. School meets for eight hours a day. I can read, write, and be socially responsible, and I’m not the only one.

 

[Annn]

Also, students don’t get “social responsibility” time. Things such as respect for others, community-oriented perspectives, etc. can be taught within academic lessons. For example, kids read books. Teachers try to choose books that teach good lessons. For example, kids do group projects. Group projects are about learning and working on a team. Teamwork is important in the workplace, at least in all the workplaces I’ve worked in.

 

[mdgspencer]

Thanks much for this link (provided below), which shows the agenda of the “club” being proposed for this school. This organization spouts the language of gay advocates about homophobia (and even “transphobia) and this"club” is meant to “educate” the students, the school and society at large about oppression of gays, “oppression” I would expect which includes the objections of religious people to gay sex.

Yes, homosexuality is affirmed and activism is promoted. Anyone who doesn’t agree is homophobic. This is the typical organization that is found in high schools and colleges.

gsanetwork.org/about/index.html

 

[estesbob]

Oh, spare me. People can be taught “social responsibility” and formal academics at the same time. School meets for eight hours a day. I can read, write, and be socially responsible, and I’m not the only one.

It’s easy for you to have that attitude since it is the employer that gets stuck teaching them what they should have been taught my first place. I have been in business for 27 years and the quality of students the education system turns out have dropped significantly since I started my business. But they sure are socially conscious.

 

[JRamosSFO]

Do you realize that 20-30% of the teenagers that are homeless are gay. Where is the best place to reach these kids before this happens? Home–yes but we all know how that goes. Do you all remember being a teen? Did you all talk or feel comfortable talking to your parents about your sexuality? In the schools, with the guidance from loving and caring adults might be the only place these children feel safe talking about what they are experiencing. These teens that have asked your wife to be a sponsor must trust her–fantastic! As a Christian she will be an awesome sounding board for them to help them process what they are experiencing and point them in the correct direction for further information. God sometimes calls us to do things that we do not feel comfortable doing. If you recall this past weekends Gospel reading Matthew 16:21-28 don’t you think that the Apostles would of loved to change the subject to miracles, Sermon on the Mount…"Hey, Jesus lets go do some more miracles, saving people or lets talk about loving our neighbor. I am not feeling that comfortable with all this talk of “If any want to become my followers, let them deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.” Sometimes God calls us to do things that are not the “norm” for us but we are to minister to His people especially the children.

God Bless!

One of the many definitions of Sponsor is:
Sponsor: The person in the organization, usually from the business side – who supports the project. This person should be someone with power, money and commitment to the project.

If this organization is advocating being gay as an “acceptable lifestyle” then it goes against the warnings by St. Paul about who Christians are to associate with. God calls us to understand and love…not to be a “support” that advocates sinful behavior. There is no reason that this person cannot or should not help any one of her students that comes to her for counsel, without Sponsoring this club.

Peace in Christ.

 

[JRamosSFO]

AMEN!!! The propensity for schools to wander outside their area of expertise and just teach is why I cry for a voucher system to help make it easier to get kids away from these centers of indoctrination and into an educational system.

AMEN to vouchers!!!

 

[JRamosSFO]

Oh, spare me. People can be taught “social responsibility” and formal academics at the same time. School meets for eight hours a day. I can read, write, and be socially responsible, and I’m not the only one.

And it is up the teachers to define “social responsibility”? Are you not getting confused, because we seem to be discussing “Moral Responsibility”. As many of the other posts suggest, and myself as a father of six, prefer my childrens moral development guided by the church through my wife and myself…at home. High School is a place for becoming educated, not for personal or private agenda’s.

 

[Matt33]

I suppose I disagree about the [many] goals of schooling. Academic training is only one of the goals of schooling. (Anyone who teaches education at a college level will tell you that).

Unfortunatly this is the truest thing you have posted.
This society needs a revitalization of the family and a revitalization of religion. not a socialized teaching force that has been spoonfed the liberal mantra from THIER early education. There wouldnt even need to be a support group if We as a society tried to be more holy instead of more “accepting” As the son of a teacher the brother of a teacher and the cousin of teachers and nephew of teachers, I will definately be homeschooling my daughters be they gay or strait.

 

[Feanaro_s_Wife]

**I think the biggest difference between a club like this and one for “nerds” or other social misfits is that practicing homosexuality is an objective wrong that society is trying to make into a right. So as long as society and morals conflict it will be very hard to have a group like this that will actually do any good.

Think of other support groups like Alcoholics Anonymous…it starts with the basic premise that being an alcoholic (actively drinking) is bad. It ruins your life and affects all of those around you. So the support received is to help you fight the alcoholism, not feel good about being one and wondering why society doesn’t embrace drunk driving.**

To the OP, I think your wife should not have anything to do with this club. If any students approach her privately then she can refer them to professionals that can help answer their questions and address their very real concerns.

 

[Scottgun]

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Think of other support groups like Alcoholics Anonymous…it starts with the basic premise that being an alcoholic (actively drinking) is bad

You nailed it. One has to get to the core presuppositions for clarity. The bald fact is that all these LGBT groups on campuses and elsewhere drink from modern liberal philosophy. And in that philosophy, the act of homosex is good–so anything they trot out ostensibly in the name of tolerance is going to based on that unstated but unmistakable premise. Unless the group has explicit language saying that homosex is wrong, Catholics should avoid any connection.**

 

[rpp]

I suppose I disagree about the [many] goals of schooling. Academic training is only one of the goals of schooling. (Anyone who teaches education at a college level will tell you that).

Yes, the other part consists of indoctrination.

And that is why teachers have so little respect. So many of them do not so much teach as they do brainwash.

 

[royal_archer]

Which is the basic problem of education schools. They appear to place "social responsibility"ahead of everything else. Thus us employers get stuck with employees who feel very entitield, are very socially concious and have to be taught the basic skills that used to be acquired in High School. They cause huge friction is the office enviroment becuase they feel they know as much or more than the people who have been there for years -inlcuding their bosses. It takes about 3 months for them to realize they dont know everything, another three months to realize they dont know anything and then and only then can we start to work with them.

Our local high school bragged about the number of students who went on to college. I raised a big stink with them saying the problem was that so few of there graduates were capable of getting a job. It seems like the governement run schools have an attitude of just pass them on and let the buisness community and higher education finish educating them.

 

[Annn]

Yes, the other part consists of indoctrination.

And that is why teachers have so little respect. So many of them do not so much teach as they do brainwash.

All schools (and all parents) indoctrinate. Indoctrination is not always bad. Schools indoctrinate children to: be able to sit still for a while (important life skill), share (important life skill), wait their turn in conversation (imporant life skill), not be reckless with school property (important life skill). It’s the hidden curriculum and it’s not all bad.

 

[estesbob]

All schools (and all parents) indoctrinate. Indoctrination is not always bad. Schools indoctrinate children to: be able to sit still for a while (important life skill), share (important life skill), wait their turn in conversation (imporant life skill), not be reckless with school property (important life skill). It’s the hidden curriculum and it’s not all bad.

You have aptly described the kindergarten curriculum. Unfortunately the way our schools system works many fail to bring even thes skills to their first job. And I didn’t indoctrinate my children. I raised them- my responsibility, not yours and most certainly not a teachers.

 

[Feanaro_s_Wife]

All schools (and all parents) indoctrinate. Indoctrination is not always bad. Schools indoctrinate children to: be able to sit still for a while (important life skill), share (important life skill), wait their turn in conversation (imporant life skill), not be reckless with school property (important life skill). It’s the hidden curriculum and it’s not all bad.

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But all of the things you mention go hand in hand with being able to learn in a school environment. Teaching “tolerance” for immoral behavior and other things have nothing to do with getting an education. School should be a place where kids of all different backgrounds and upbringings can go to get an education… you know, math, language arts, science? **