Wife has given up

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You know, it is one thing if your wife wants a divorce and wants to play games and wants to blame you for everything, but it is another thing entirely for her to think that it is in any way, shape or form okay for her to be talking to your son about that guy. She SHOULD run off and cry, she is the one that is being totally illogical and unfaithful.

She should not be trying to manipulate a child into believing that what she is doing/has done is normal behavior. Nor should she be discussing him as if he is some sort of family friend.

I am sorry things are going this way for you tucdoc. I don’t think your wife really has a clue what it will be like for herself is she is divorced. It is up to you to provide the stability in life your kids need whether you stay together or not because your wife seems incapable of doing it.

I will remember you in my prayers.
 
I cant’ keep this up much longer. Yesterday my wife was talking to my son about her “friend” and the VIP tickets he gets from one of the baseball managers.
That’s why your children need counselors now. There is a chance she is trying to manipulate them (probably not consciously, mind you) to favor her.
After my son left the room, I told my wife to stop talking about that guy.
why? (rhetorical - you need to understand your own actions)
She broke down, ran to “our” bedroom crying, and took off her wedding rings. I spoke to her for awhile, and she again said she didn’t love me and now doesn’t even want to continue seeing her therapist. I got the kids out of the house for dinner and Mass. When I got back, she again blamed me for things being the way they are. I’m so tired of this. We have been going over the same issues for 6 months and nothing has been resolved. I can’t deal with somebody so irrational and emotional.
aren’t you also being irrational and emotional?
After she meets with her lawyer in 2 weeks, if she won’t file for divorce, then I will.
If so then you are complicit.
 
I cant’ keep this up much longer. Yesterday my wife was talking to my son about her “friend” and the VIP tickets he gets from one of the baseball managers. After my son left the room, I told my wife to stop talking about that guy. She broke down, ran to “our” bedroom crying, and took off her wedding rings. I spoke to her for awhile, and she again said she didn’t love me and now doesn’t even want to continue seeing her therapist. I got the kids out of the house for dinner and Mass. When I got back, she again blamed me for things being the way they are. I’m so tired of this. We have been going over the same issues for 6 months and nothing has been resolved. I can’t deal with somebody so irrational and emotional. After she meets with her lawyer in 2 weeks, if she won’t file for divorce, then I will.
Do not coach yourself to believe that dealing with a wife who is emotional and irrational is a choice you are allowed to accept or reject. It doesn’t matter if you are perfect and she is entirely to blame. Unless you honestly have been forced to accept that your marriage is invalid, unless the possibility of trying has closed, it is your obligation to keep trying. If you can’t do it alone, it is your duty to get whatever help you need to hang in there…that is, to hang in there and keep loving her and expecting the best of her and yourself.

You should have a lawyer to get advice on how to keep custody of the children, should your wife choose to divorce you. That is prudent. Because of the nature of your wife’s temptations and transgressions, you also have the obligation to keep the children in your household in the event of a split, if it is possible. If she is threatening to squander the means you have earned for supporting the children and for you and your wife in your old age, you may have a moral reason for seeking a legal separation, in order to protect your ability to provide for the family. Otherwise, hearing “I don’t love you any more” is not moral grounds for seeking a civil divorce. Hearing her blaming you for things that are not your fault is not moral grounds for seeking a civil divorce. Dalliances that fall short of infidelity are not grounds for divorce…and even in that case, the Church commends the injuried party to try to hang in there. Taken over the course of your lifetimes, it really does have to get to the point that the strife in your house is and is going to be harming the children more seriously than losing their mother, or whether someone’s physical safety is in question. Civil divorce, in order to be morally permissible, really does have to be your only moral option. Some greater morally-compelling good has to drive you to it.

Hang in there. This is very very hard. I do not blame you for being tempted to give up. Hang in there, hang in there, hang in there. Talk to yourself as you would to a depressed person who is standing on a ledge, tempted to jump. You are talking about a decision that we would expect cannot be undone. Get whatever help you need to keep yourself from following through on the temptation to end it all. Your marriage is precious. Keep trying to save it.
 
I seem to be the one doing everything to save the marriage. For 6 months she has refused marriage counseling. I’ve told her I believe she sought these two guys and spends her time watching baseball because of an emotional emptiness. I would like to help her fill that emptiness, but she refuses my help, only saying how much I’ve hurt her in the past and keep hurting her bring up the issues I’ve already mentioned. She really doesn’t think she is doing anything wrong. How can this difference be reconciled? How can we continue a marriage when we can’t agree on what she has done?

When I left this AM, I told her I still love her, that I want to stay married and be happy. Honestly, at this point, I don’t know if I can be happy with the marriage as it is, if she refuses to make any changes. I’ve been willing to change, but she claims that it won’t be long before I go back to the way I was (which means complaining about her spending and expecting sex occasionally).
 
When I left this AM, I told her I still love her, that I want to stay married and be happy. Honestly, at this point, I don’t know if I can be happy with the marriage as it is, if she refuses to make any changes. I’ve been willing to change, but she claims that it won’t be long before I go back to the way I was (which means complaining about her spending and expecting sex occasionally).
Hi tucdoc-
I can see why you’re getting frustrated. She has all the advantages of a marriage and none of the disadvantages. It seems to me you are financing her forays. It seems to me you ought to start running the house - grocery shopping etc, since she is unwilling to be a wife and mother. This means not giving her any money for shopping.

If she wants to file for divorce, why should you pay for her lawyer? You are supporting her in a sinful lifestyle. I would pay all the bills, do all the grocery shopping, etc. I know it’s time-consuming, but you might as well get used to it if you get a divorce. Take her name off the credit cards and the bank account.

Divorce almost always favors the SAHM. Physical custody usually goes to the SAHM, as well as alimony for a period of time, and child support until at least 18. Maybe if you showed you did all the SAHM work, a divorce wouldn’t hurt you as much. Sounds like you’re pretty much doing it anyway. And if not, you ought too, because she is doing a lot of harm to the kids by her attitude and what she says about her friends. Kids know what’s wrong. It’s your job as a father to make sure your kids are raised in a moral manner.

I hope you are taking your kids to mass on Sundays and are praying about this. I have been keeping you in my prayers.
 
I seem to be the one doing everything to save the marriage. For 6 months she has refused marriage counseling. I’ve told her I believe she sought these two guys and spends her time watching baseball because of an emotional emptiness. I would like to help her fill that emptiness, but she refuses my help, only saying how much I’ve hurt her in the past and keep hurting her bring up the issues I’ve already mentioned. She really doesn’t think she is doing anything wrong. How can this difference be reconciled? How can we continue a marriage when we can’t agree on what she has done?

When I left this AM, I told her I still love her, that I want to stay married and be happy. Honestly, at this point, I don’t know if I can be happy with the marriage as it is, if she refuses to make any changes. I’ve been willing to change, but she claims that it won’t be long before I go back to the way I was (which means complaining about her spending and expecting sex occasionally).
If the marriage is valid, then it will continue, even if she walks out and doesn’t leave a forwarding address. Abandonment, whether physical or emotional, does not prove that a marriage was invalid from the beginning.

I think that after all these posts, you’ve heard of the Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse, the four habits that are most predictive of eventual divorce. Review them and their antidotes:

Criticism/Personal Attacks: Instead, learn to complain without blaming
Defensiveness: Instead of launching defenses and counter-attacks when complaints hit you, learn to take responsibility and make changes where needed
Contempt: Instead of seeing the other as a collection of faults, build a culture of appreciation. Five positive comments for every complaint or suggested correction is the minimum ratio of positive:negative.
Stonewalling: Instead of closing down and shutting out the other, do physiological self-soothing and get back into the conversation.

OK, I’ll be honest: if I were you, the first thing I would do would be to see how my spouse is not doing the stuff on that chart. That tack is totally understandable, but it will not help. This is why marriage should not be seen as 50/50. People in 50/50 marriages go in the ditch the minute someone starts acting like an idiot. A lot of us are idiots from time to time, and even for a long time. If you’re going to stay married, you have to be willing to be a good guy married to a woman who is temporarily acting like an idiot…that is, who is habitually choosing to do the very things that ruin marriages. Otherwise, you are toast. OTOH, there are happily married couples out there who can thank the one of them who remained faithful when “worse” became “idiocy.” It takes endurance, which takes both lots of prayer and lots of outside support, but it can work.

Instead of expecting 50% from her, see how much of the needed 100% you can come up with, and what you can do to keep it up as long as possible. Look at a) how to keep yourself on the positive side of the chart and b) how to help set up conditions so that your wife will stay off of it. You can see how the four are interrelated. If she’s doing really badly at one–say, she is defensive–you can compensate in part by doing extra well at a related one–say, by having more like 10:1 positive remarks instead of 5:1 when you make your complaints. You’ll have to learn the art of the relentless repair attempt, as well. That is an endurance sport that requires a lot of grace and grit. She is telling herself a story about you: He is harsh, he is not understanding, he doesn’t appreciate me, he only uses me, he uses money to control me…and so on. If you replace your negative behaviors with positive ones, at some point her story is going to stop making sense. She’ll either have to do the immense work of backing a story that is obviously false, or she’s going to have to come around and change her story.

The relentless repair attempt is exhausting and can feel demeaning. Why keep trying when you’re being endlessly rebuffed? This is where you need a very strong support system. *You cannot do this alone. *You need some people with skin on to help you through this, people who can look you in the eye and tell you that your efforts are worthwhile.
 
If the marriage is valid, then it will continue, even if she walks out and doesn’t leave a forwarding address. Abandonment, whether physical or emotional, does not prove that a marriage was invalid from the beginning.
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Instead of expecting 50% from her, see how much of the needed 100% you can come up with, and what you can do to keep it up as long as possible. Look at a) how to keep yourself on the positive side of the chart and b) how to help set up conditions so that your wife will stay off of it. You can see how the four are interrelated. If she’s doing really badly at one–say, she is defensive–you can compensate in part by doing extra well at a related one–say, by having more like 10:1 positive remarks instead of 5:1 when you make your complaints. You’ll have to learn the art of the relentless repair attempt, as well. That is an endurance sport that requires a lot of grace and grit. She is telling herself a story about you: He is harsh, he is not understanding, he doesn’t appreciate me, he only uses me, he uses money to control me…and so on. If you replace your negative behaviors with positive ones, at some point her story is going to stop making sense. She’ll either have to do the immense work of backing a story that is obviously false, or she’s going to have to come around and change her story.

The relentless repair attempt is exhausting and can feel demeaning. Why keep trying when you’re being endlessly rebuffed? This is where you need a very strong support system. *You cannot do this alone. *You need some people with skin on to help you through this, people who can look you in the eye and tell you that your efforts are worthwhile.
Hi Easter-
I completely agree with you about having to put forth 100% and tucdoc can’t do it alone. Having said that, sometimes, well, the spouse isn’t temporarily an idiot. Tucdoc has been working hard at telling her he loves her, doing 100%, etc. If she files for divorce, there is nothing he can do about it in this day of “no fault dissolution.”

I have been through divorce, I filed. My ex wouldn’t do anything to make the marriage work. False promises, blame, lies, etc. There comes a time when you have to realize the situation is damaging the children and get them out of it while you still have your sanity. When my children began begging Daddy to stop yelling at Mommy, that was my breaking point. I didn’t want my kids to think that was a normal marriage, screaming and yelling constantly. Today my kids are grown and well adjusted. My ex has gone on to two more marriages since our divorce. Obviously, no marriage makes him happy.

I’m sorry my marriage turned out the way it did, but there was nothing I could do to change it without HIS cooperation.
 
The money issue is a big one. She has a litany of house projects, each about four figures in price, that “need” to be done. She also complains about not getting cosmetic dental work done, or getting a $300 purse to store her I-pad (which she expected me to buy for her without any gratitude). She wants a new SUV. All these “things” are suppossed to show her that I care about her. This is BS. If she really thinks this way, then we are better off apart. I told her if I didn’t love her I would have given up on the marriage when she did 6 months ago. I don’t know if she appreciates that either.
 
Hi Easter-
I completely agree with you about having to put forth 100% and tucdoc can’t do it alone. Having said that, sometimes, well, the spouse isn’t temporarily an idiot. Tucdoc has been working hard at telling her he loves her, doing 100%, etc. If she files for divorce, there is nothing he can do about it in this day of “no fault dissolution.”

I have been through divorce, I filed. My ex wouldn’t do anything to make the marriage work. False promises, blame, lies, etc. There comes a time when you have to realize the situation is damaging the children and get them out of it while you still have your sanity. When my children began begging Daddy to stop yelling at Mommy, that was my breaking point. I didn’t want my kids to think that was a normal marriage, screaming and yelling constantly. Today my kids are grown and well adjusted. My ex has gone on to two more marriages since our divorce. Obviously, no marriage makes him happy.

I’m sorry my marriage turned out the way it did, but there was nothing I could do to change it without HIS cooperation.
This isn’t quite like a yelling and screaming fest that is scaring the children. Rather, this is a case of a wife “gunny-sacking” her hurts for 14 years until she has entirely re-written her assessment of her husband. For many years, she has been interpreting what he has said and done in ways that he was unaware of or whose depth he didn’t fully understand. In her mind, he has been digging a hole of hurt for her for years. In his mind, he didn’t even know he had a shovel. Meanwhile, she has been constructing some fantasy in which she stays with her kids and the comforts her husband gives her, while getting the emotional comforts of marriage elsewhere. Honestly, I would not be surprised if sex with anyone were entirely elimated from her little scenario!

If she files for divorce, there may be nothing he can do, except defend his rights as a parent. This is what he is saying, though: We have been going over the same issues for 6 months and nothing has been resolved. I can’t deal with somebody so irrational and emotional. After she meets with her lawyer in 2 weeks, if she won’t file for divorce, then I will. Now, if he meets with his pastor and is told that he’s enduring abuse and should get out, then by all means I would believe the pastor on the ground. In the absence of a truly intolerable situation, though, we can’t give ourselves permission to quit.

It is only the recognition of the problem that’s been going on for six months. The problem itself is much older than six months, and it is going to take a lot longer than six months to fix it. It would have been almost miraculous if his marriage were completely cleared up by now. Communication problems that have been going on for a decade aren’t usually solved in six months. It is not terribly surprising that he’s still trying to get her to believe that her story about what her life has been like isn’t completely true.

Could it be that he is in an invalid marriage? Yes. Nevertheless, unless a clear basis for that exists, the marriage enjoys the presumption of validity. Besides, we are talking about a man who wants to stay married. His wife is ambivalent, wanting divorce one minute and not the next. She is going through a period that realistically might have an end. There is still hope.
 
This isn’t quite like a yelling and screaming fest that is scaring the children. Rather, this is a case of a wife “gunny-sacking” her hurts for 14 years until she has entirely re-written her assessment of her husband. For many years, she has been interpreting what he has said and done in ways that he was unaware of or whose depth he didn’t fully understand. In her mind, he has been digging a hole of hurt for her for years. .
Not so much a hole but a way to “justify” her actions, if only in her own mind.
 
Your wife has gone insane. Tell her she needs help or you won’t put up with this anymore.
 
His wife is ambivalent, wanting divorce one minute and not the next. She is going through a period that realistically might have an end. There is still hope.
And with that she has the power, “You do what I want you to do and let me do what I want or I’ll divorce you”.

The constant back and fourth are her implied threats to keep her husband in check. In her mind her marriage has become a tool to be used to get what she wants. As long as he has the hope you are encouraging him to have she will use it against him. It has probably never occurred to her that Tucdoc might divorce her instead. Consult your own lawyer and start protecting your children and your assets - Tucdoc is dealing with a woman that has no empathy for him or her children. Treat her as such.
 
Now, if he meets with his pastor and is told that he’s enduring abuse and should get out, then by all means I would believe the pastor on the ground. In the absence of a truly intolerable situation, though, we can’t give ourselves permission to quit.
Quite true. I would suppose that if the pastor recommends legal separation or divorce that it should be for cause. This no-fault nonsense really distorts matters.
 
The money issue is a big one. She has a litany of house projects, each about four figures in price, that “need” to be done. She also complains about not getting cosmetic dental work done, or getting a $300 purse to store her I-pad (which she expected me to buy for her without any gratitude). She wants a new SUV. All these “things” are suppossed to show her that I care about her. This is BS. If she really thinks this way, then we are better off apart. I told her if I didn’t love her I would have given up on the marriage when she did 6 months ago. I don’t know if she appreciates that either.
I think this demonstrates about 4 different issues: the give-and-take required in joint money management when the attitudes and skills surrounding money are very different, the expectations by which you each get emotional validation by the giving and receiving of gifts, mutual expectations concerning appreciation and feeling valued in general, and the habits you feel entitled to use when you complain to each other. The fourth issue is the biggest.

Money is not the issue. She could win the lottery tomorrow, and it wouldn’t change your money issues. *Think about it: it would probably make them far worse! *The place money has had in your relationship is the issue. I think this is why so many marriage counsellors say that getting more money will never solve money issues in a marriage.

A good rule for marriage is to keep your eye on the relationship, and manage the money accordingly, not the other way around. The money still gets managed, but it doesn’t become a pawn or an excuse in a bigger set of emotional struggles. That is where the BS comes in.

The advice columnist who advises people to ask, “Would I be better off with her or without her?” reflects a problem with the secular view of marriage. That is the wrong question. It puts self before fidelity. The question, rather, is this: “Do I serve God best by trying hard to keep both of us in our marriage, which as far as I know is valid and indissoluble, by letting her go if she is determined, or by getting myself and our children out for reasons of safety?” Be as Christ is with the Church. Do not cut off any part of your body, excepting that it is dead or dying and another part will die with it by heroic attempts to save it.
"Watch carefully then how you live, not as foolish persons but as wise,
making the most of the opportunity, because the days are evil.
Therefore, do not continue in ignorance, but try to understand what is the will of the Lord.

…Be subordinate to one another out of reverence for Christ…
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church and handed himself over for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the bath of water with the word,
that he might present to himself the church in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
So (also) husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
For no one hates his own flesh but rather nourishes and cherishes it, even as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body.
“For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.
In any case, each one of you should love his wife as himself, and the wife should respect her husband." Eph 5:15-17, 21, 25-33

You’ll note I left out the parts aimed at your wife. You are not freed from your duties as a husband when she fails at hers. That is 50/50 thinking. That is not the mind of Christ.

If she goes, you may not be able to prevent it, but make her prove that. Protect your own life, do not put her in harm’s way if you don’t trust your own temper, keep your children as safe as possible, but also “Try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord.” (v. 10)

I’m not advising you to tolerate abuse of yourself or your children. I’m only cautioning that you not lose heart in a good work you have begun.
 
The only way I can stay in the marriage is by saying that I’m serving God, as I’m certainly not serving myself. I’ve pointed out to my wife that we need help in addressing issues regarding money. Her d****d insistance on not going to counseling has kept us in limbo for 6 months. If staying in this awful marriage is God’s will for my life, than I have to accept it. I know a divorce will be very painful and expensive, and affect the kids the rest of their lives. But, seeing there mom crying about the past, and hearing her go on about these men in her life also affects them. They already say she is never happy except when she watches baseball. If divorce is God’s will for my life, than I will accept it also. I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO DO?
 
The only way I can stay in the marriage is by saying that I’m serving God, as I’m certainly not serving myself. I’ve pointed out to my wife that we need help in addressing issues regarding money. Her d****d insistance on not going to counseling has kept us in limbo for 6 months. If staying in this awful marriage is God’s will for my life, than I have to accept it. I know a divorce will be very painful and expensive, and affect the kids the rest of their lives. But, seeing there mom crying about the past, and hearing her go on about these men in her life also affects them. They already say she is never happy except when she watches baseball. If divorce is God’s will for my life, than I will accept it also. I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO DO?
Love of God and love of your children…is there a better reason to do anything?

If she had been in a car accident and couldn’t walk or talk, you’d spend far more than 6 months. You’d give her your whole life. You’re frustrated because this is her choice and because you have no guarantees, no matter what you do. Of course you are! Don’t beat yourself up over how hard this is. I would not wish this on anyone. I also know your chances of being successful are not great. As Mother Theresa said, though, “God did not call me to be successful. God called me to be faithful.” Concern yourself with following God, and let God take care of the results you get.

You would be very unusual if you always knew what to do in a situation like this. I’m not suggesting, either, that you have to stay no matter what, as long as she doesn’t file for divorce. This could prove to be a case where a civil divorce is a moral imperative.

I’m just saying that frustration isn’t a reason to give up. It is a reason to find more help for yourself. Get help in discerning what to do from someone with a pastoral office and experience who can look you in the eye, answer your questions, ask you questions, and run ideas past you. If your pastor isn’t that person, talk to someone from Retrovaille, even if your wife won’t go, and ask them if they know a priest who would help you, or a counsellor, or someone. And get legal help, as your children will need as much of you as you can legally get them, should the marriage dissolve in the civil sense. Most of all, find friends and family to support you and give you some of the human affection that you need.
 
Yes, my frustration comes from my wife choosing to live in the past, rehashing all of my shortcomings and her disappointments with me, and not seeing the possibility of change. Six months ago I told her to just let it go, but she won’t. I know that the whole baseball and “friends” thing comes from her being unhappy from what she feels I’ve done to her in the past. So, she blames me for how she reacts when I confront her when she crosses boundaries in our marriage. She doesn’t want help, she stopped seeing her therapist. What hope is there? How can you have a marriage with somebody who refuses to forgive and prefers to be miserable with the past?
 
This isn’t quite like a yelling and screaming fest that is scaring the children. Rather, this is a case of a wife “gunny-sacking” her hurts for 14 years until she has entirely re-written her assessment of her husband. For many years, she has been interpreting what he has said and done in ways that he was unaware of or whose depth he didn’t fully understand. In her mind, he has been digging a hole of hurt for her for years. In his mind, he didn’t even know he had a shovel. Meanwhile, she has been constructing some fantasy in which she stays with her kids and the comforts her husband gives her, while getting the emotional comforts of marriage elsewhere. Honestly, I would not be surprised if sex with anyone were entirely elimated from her little scenario!
Sam addressed this better than I could.
If she files for divorce, there may be nothing he can do, except defend his rights as a parent. This is what he is saying, though: We have been going over the same issues for 6 months and nothing has been resolved. I can’t deal with somebody so irrational and emotional. After she meets with her lawyer in 2 weeks, if she won’t file for divorce, then I will. Now, if he meets with his pastor and is told that he’s enduring abuse and should get out, then by all means I would believe the pastor on the ground. In the absence of a truly intolerable situation, though, we can’t give ourselves permission to quit.
He needs to defend his rights as a parent. If she files, she will probably get custody of the kids, alimony, and child support. She’ll also likely get to stay in the house until the kids are 18, as long as she can make the payments. Tucdoc won’t get to use the equity of his house to move on, plus he’ll be financially strapped for all the payments he makes. Meantime, the kids are in the physical custody of a woman who doesn’t have the best interest of the children at heart. Sorry, but this is the real world.
It is only the recognition of the problem that’s been going on for six months. The problem itself is much older than six months, and it is going to take a lot longer than six months to fix it. It would have been almost miraculous if his marriage were completely cleared up by now. Communication problems that have been going on for a decade aren’t usually solved in six months. It is not terribly surprising that he’s still trying to get her to believe that her story about what her life has been like isn’t completely true.
Every marriage has its problems. People can “fester” about things for years and then suddenly make things an issue, blindsiding the spouse, using it as an excuse to do wrong.
Could it be that he is in an invalid marriage? Yes. Nevertheless, unless a clear basis for that exists, the marriage enjoys the presumption of validity. Besides, we are talking about a man who wants to stay married. His wife is ambivalent, wanting divorce one minute and not the next. She is going through a period that realistically might have an end. There is still hope.
Whether or not the marriage is valid is irrelevant. I feel my marriage was valid. I still divorced. If I had to do it all over again, I don’t see how I couldn’t have married him. He didn’t start the violence until we had been married over a year. I wouldn’t have had the children had I not married him. My priest told me not to leave my ex, but to live as brother and sister. It was well-intended advice, but that wasn’t going to solve the issues.
 
The money issue is a big one. She has a litany of house projects, each about four figures in price, that “need” to be done. She also complains about not getting cosmetic dental work done, or getting a $300 purse to store her I-pad (which she expected me to buy for her without any gratitude). She wants a new SUV. All these “things” are suppossed to show her that I care about her. This is BS. If she really thinks this way, then we are better off apart. I told her if I didn’t love her I would have given up on the marriage when she did 6 months ago. I don’t know if she appreciates that either.
BINGO. She’s getting everything she wants now, because she won’t be able to get them when she kicks you out. You cannot build a home without a marriage. Do NOT spend money on anything until she is willing to work on the marriage. Say NO.

I’m sorry to sound so harsh. You need to practice tough love here.

I am from a very conservative Catholic adult who’s been through this.

I have been praying for you. I know it’s Hell.
 
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