Wife has given up

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The money issue is a big one. She has a litany of house projects, each about four figures in price, that “need” to be done. She also complains about not getting cosmetic dental work done, or getting a $300 purse to store her I-pad (which she expected me to buy for her without any gratitude). She wants a new SUV. All these “things” are suppossed to show her that I care about her. This is BS. If she really thinks this way, then we are better off apart. I told her if I didn’t love her I would have given up on the marriage when she did 6 months ago. I don’t know if she appreciates that either.
BINGO. She’s getting everything she wants now, because she won’t be able to get them when she kicks you out. You cannot build a home without a marriage. Do NOT spend money on anything until she is willing to work on the marriage. Say NO.

I’m sorry to sound so harsh. You need to practice tough love here.

I am from a very conservative Catholic adult who’s been through this.

I have been praying for you. I know it’s Hell.
 
I seem to be the one doing everything to save the marriage. For 6 months she has refused marriage counseling. I’ve told her I believe she sought these two guys and spends her time watching baseball because of an emotional emptiness. I would like to help her fill that emptiness, but she refuses my help, only saying how much I’ve hurt her in the past and keep hurting her bring up the issues I’ve already mentioned. She really doesn’t think she is doing anything wrong. How can this difference be reconciled? How can we continue a marriage when we can’t agree on what she has done?

When I left this AM, I told her I still love her, that I want to stay married and be happy. Honestly, at this point, I don’t know if I can be happy with the marriage as it is, if she refuses to make any changes. I’ve been willing to change, but she claims that it won’t be long before I go back to the way I was (which means complaining about her spending and expecting sex occasionally).
I am so sorry to read this tucdoc. I can’t imagine what you must be going through…

And I do hate to be salt in the wound, but… I bolded the above because you know this isn’t true. If you need a refresher in ‘the way you were’, please go back and review some of my comments. ‘Controlling and insulting’ is what you were like in addition to the above.

I know that when someone writes when upset, they can leave out things, but she does she perhaps have a point? If you said that to her (about complaining about $ and wanting marital relations), I could see why she would think you wouldn’t change permanently.

You remain in my prayers…
 
The money issue is a big one. She has a litany of house projects, each about four figures in price, that “need” to be done. …

. I told her if I didn’t love her I would have given up on the marriage when she did 6 months ago. I don’t know if she appreciates that either.
And some advised earlier in this thread to work out an approach/timeline/budget to the projects with her. Has this happened?

If I didn’t love you, I wouldn’t put up with your **** may feel good (and legitimate) to say, but really doesn’t count as a positive ‘love statement’.

This use of money as a measure for love - are you complicit in creating this environment at all? Perhaps bring up to her what you did above - that all she seems to want from you is money. See what she says!
 
The only way I can stay in the marriage is by saying that I’m serving God, as I’m certainly not serving myself. I’ve pointed out to my wife that we need help in addressing issues regarding money. Her d****d insistance on not going to counseling has kept us in limbo for 6 months. If staying in this awful marriage is God’s will for my life, than I have to accept it.
Isn’t service to God what we are all called to?
I know a divorce will be very painful and expensive, and affect the kids the rest of their lives. But, seeing there mom crying about the past, and hearing her go on about these men in her life also affects them. They already say she is never happy except when she watches baseball. If divorce is God’s will for my life, than I will accept it also.
Divorce is never God’s will for anyone.
Malachi 2:16:
For I hate divorce, says the LORD, the God of Israel
It is an effect of our fallen nature that God sometimes allows.
I DON"T KNOW WHAT TO DO?
That’s a start.

You can’t “do” anything by yourself. You can only draw close to God or forsake Him.

(Of course, you should also be close to your priest (or spiritual director) and a lawyer due to your present circumstances.)
 
Sheeniac, I do remember admitting on one of my first posts that I called her a b**** 6 months ago, which was probably the proverbial “straw”. Although I’m not excusing what I said, the context was her still complaining about not being satisfied with what I had provided, including tickets to the Spring Training games that led to her finding these “friends”. At that time I was already getting tired of hearing about these guys, but I didn’t seem them as a threat until she became emotionally distant and withdrew from me. If I had been truly controlling, I wouldn’t have even let her go to these games in the first place. I see myself as more restraining rather than controlling regarding money. She has never wanted to sit down to create a budget, always assuming the money will be there. Due to my “controlling” behavior with money our mortgage is paid off and the kids already have enough money for college (at least if they stay in state). One positive developement is that she is getting a couple of quotes to fix our roof. It is leaking, and I realize it will be a four figure project to fix, But she is trying to find the best price, so I have to give her credit.

Regarding marital relations, she hasn’t let me kiss her goodbye or goodnight since August. The closest thing I can get to being affectionate are kind words and pouring her coffee in the morning. This part is really painful, but I’m respecting what she has requested.
 
One positive developement is that she is getting a couple of quotes to fix our roof. It is leaking, and I realize it will be a four figure project to fix, But she is trying to find the best price, so I have to give her credit.
The hard thing about posts is that you can’t READ tone.

It’s amazing to me this whole time it’s been about all this crazy $$ spending, she has all these projects in mind… And low and behold… one of them is to fix your LEAKING roof.

How is this NOT on YOUR list of things that need to be done? I kind of wonder if the other projects are so frivolous? Or Maybe, you asked her to check into this as a necessary project. I don’t know. ONly you are there.

So, I’m curious. Besides going to therapy, and telling her what she needs to do… what is it that you have been doing to give back to this marriage?

Anyhow… I still think your wife is wickedly depressed. I think she’s grasping at straws. And I think she’s just coherent enough to assign blame… and she blames you… and thus the wall she has put up. I suspect you have contributed to this… but I certainly DON’T think it’s all you… Does she admit that she’s depressed at all? If she does, perhaps you can’t GENTLY point her in the direction of some studies that might help. If she doesn’t admit it… she will be angry at the suggestion… double edge sword here.

AND, if she’s depressed, I think it’s even MORE crazy to just expect her to start acting happy. And make rational decisions. The fact that she burries herself in baseball… the ONLY thing that brings her happiness speaks volumes to me. But she will continue, almost like a drug addict to find a “happy fix”… and if she THINKS she might find that in divorce… she will pursue it with a vengence…

Does she exercise? Does she get quality sleep? Are her hormones in check? You are in your 40’s right? Time for Perimenopause to rear it’s ugly head (AND I DON’T RECOMMEND that you verbally blame her hormones…) Does she have adequate Vit. D, Is her thyroid normal (do you know there is a HUGE correlation with out of balance thryoid, and divorce???) B-Complex… If her body is out of wack… she will not repsond properly. Has she ever gotten deeply into exercise and diet, and perhaps stressed her body out? Overly thin? Overly controlling with her diet?. I’ve seen all of this in people that I know and love… It’s quite sad the YEARS of drama that could have been corrected with some very simple steps.

If she doesn’t exercise regularly… that would be a great starting point… and you could maybe “trick” her into doing it… evening walks with the kids after dinner (fall is a great time for this) She could take your son to a batting cage for some lessons… or your daughter… or YOU! for that matter…

Hope something improves soon!!! Just to see some light…
 
I’ve asked her to go see a doctor to be checker for early menopause, but she refuses. She doesn’t want to take hormones. Earlier this summer I suggested a wellnes clinic where bio-hormones are prescribed. I talked to the doc who runs the place, and he felt some of her behavior could be from hormone deficiency. Again, she refused. Also, back in May I told her I thought she was depressed, and I mentioned it again on Sunday when she ran off crying after I told her to stop talking about her friend. In fact, I suggested that she might have both anxiety and depression issues and to please get help.

Some of the other projects aren’t so pressing in my mind: renovating the kitchen and getting new appliances, switching the kids’ rooms around and repainting them. We do have to treat the house for termites, and it would be nice to have a water softening system since she had the old one removed when we moved in 4 years ago. Because I don’t immediately allow her to embark on these projects she feels that I don’t care about our home. Of course, making sure all the bills get paid, including the property tax (another four figure cost) mean nothing to her.
 
It looks like my last post got lost. Regarding my wife’s health, I asked her months ago to get a check-up because I thought this could be from early menopause. I even suggested a wellness clinic where bio-hormones are prescribed. I spoke to the doc who runs that clinic, and he said my wife’s behavior could be from early menopause. She refuses to go and refuses to take any estrogen supplements.

Regarding the house projects, some are less pressing: swithcing the kids’ rooms and repainting them, renovating the kitchen and buying new appliances. The house does need termite treatment and we don’t have a water softening system as my wife took the old one out when we moved in 4 years ago. All this takes time, but my wife feels I don’t care about our home since all of these and other projects haven’t been done yet. The fact that the bills get pain, including the property tax this month (another four figure cost) does not seem as important to her.
 
This from 1KE: * "From the sound of it (having only heard your side of it) I think your wife needs to grow up and put on her big girl panties. She has been reading too much feminist nonsense.’*

Actually, a feminist would encourage her to “put on her big girl panties,” without using this silly linguistic vehicle that would demean her in the process.

This couple lost their ability to communicate many years ago. Each person has to be willing to be openminded and honest in all efforts to restore the marriage. No single person is solely at fault. Without cooperation and love they’re done and will never honor God by living under the same roof with resentment, anger, fear and worry in their hearts. Sometimes it’s the right thing to part. Sad, but right.

tammy57
 
This from 1KE: * "From the sound of it (having only heard your side of it) I think your wife needs to grow up and put on her big girl panties. She has been reading too much feminist nonsense.’*

Actually, a feminist would encourage her to “put on her big girl panties,” without using this silly linguistic vehicle that would demean her in the process.

This couple lost their ability to communicate many years ago. Each person has to be willing to be openminded and honest in all efforts to restore the marriage. No single person is solely at fault. Without cooperation and love they’re done and will never honor God by living under the same roof with resentment, anger, fear and worry in their hearts. Sometimes it’s the right thing to part. Sad, but right.

tammy57
 
Our lack of communication is THE reason I have been asking for us to go to marriage counseling for 6 months. I’ve tried to be understanding regarding why she watches so much baseball and why she sought out these “friends”. Yet, she refuses to understand why I feel these relationships are inappropriate. I understand that it was wrong of me to assume that she was happy because her material needs were met and she has a comfortable lifestyle. Yet, she refuses to take any responsibility for her unhappiness. She says all my efforts to reconcile are too late, yet she doesn’t want to lose what she has. I suspect she is dealing with guilt in addition to resentment.

I did talk to our pastor, and he felt that I should focus on the kids and give her more time. If this is the moral imperative, than I can accept that. As hard as these 6 months have been on them, I fear that a divorce would be worse. I will put their needs ahead of mine. Plus, I do enjoy seeing them every day, even when they don’t want me asking them about their school work.
 
I did talk to our pastor, and he felt that I should focus on the kids and give her more time. If this is the moral imperative, than I can accept that. As hard as these 6 months have been on them, I fear that a divorce would be worse. I will put their needs ahead of mine. Plus, I do enjoy seeing them every day, even when they don’t want me asking them about their school work.
I think focusing on the well-being of your kids will help you all through this. After a few more months, your course of action will become more clear. Give it at least another year before you make a final decision. Some marriages do come out better having gone through the trials you are experiencing right now. Give your wife her space. Everything you are doing for her now is just irritating her. She seems to want nothing to do with you except your money. Don’t fund her sins. Keep up the house for your kids sake, be there for them, provide a stable home for them. In a year you will able to see if your efforts are futile or not. It’s true God doesn’t like divorce, but he gave us free will. If your wife wants a divorce there is nothing you can do about it. It’s her sin, not yours. Do protect yourself, though.
 
Tucdoc,

How can you expect your wife to respect you while you allow her to carry on an affair?
 
From what he has said, I doubt his wife is narcissistic. She is probably angry, hurt, and stubborn, but I doubt she is narcissistic.
 
Well, she may be narcissistic in that she doesn’t see anything wrong with her going to baseball games and dinners with her “friends” and doesn’t understand why it upsets me so. Either that or she has convinced herself that it is O.K. so that she doesn’t have to deal with the guilt.
 
If she was narcissistic you couldn’t have ignored her for as long as you did. It would have become a huge issue almost immediately.
 
If she was narcissistic you couldn’t have ignored her for as long as you did. It would have become a huge issue almost immediately.
That’s not true. My ex didn’t show his true colors until after we had been married for over a year. He was a charmer. Every once in a while the NPD would pop out, but then he would squash it. As time went on, and I became more dependent on him, that personality came out more and more.
 
That’s not true. My ex didn’t show his true colors until after we had been married for over a year. He was a charmer. Every once in a while the NPD would pop out, but then he would squash it. As time went on, and I became more dependent on him, that personality came out more and more.
I agree with this. I was also married to someone with NPD, and it’s kind of like the classic con man. They are very good at lying with complete sincerity and making you believe them. They slowly become more and more controlling and manipulative. I was fortunate enough to find out some of how he really felt about me from the beginning after he was done using me which helped me realize the whole thing was a sham and to move on but if I hadn’t I probably always would have wondered what happened.
 
I’m really hurt this AM. I was on-call last PM, and unfortunately my wife brought up going to a concert this weekend at the venure her “friend” runs. This really bothered me and I stayed up telling her how I felt. Again, nothing was resolved, and she reminded me how I’ve hurt her for so many years, showing no sign she is willing to forgive. So, I had a hard time falling asleep. Then, early this AM, I had to go into the hospital to see someone critically ill. When I got home my wife didn’t even speak to me or ask if I was O.K. I said goodbye to her, but she didn’t respond. Is this mental cruelty? She really doesn’t seem to care about me. I know, I said my moral imperative was to stay in the marriage for the kids sake. It’s just getting harder and harder.
 
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