Wife is resisting NFP... strategies anyone?

[lizziebits]

joseph123 – 6 or 7 months at a time? That is crazy! What method are you using?! The most we would have to abstain if we were trying not to get pregnant is 7-8 days out of the month.

YoursTruly – you are in no place to decide if any couple’s personal reasons for using NFP are just or not. The church says it can be used for serious reasons, but they don’t define what exactly those reasons are. To say that NFP can only be used by couples who are homeless or some other crazy extreme is simply ridiculous.

Naturegirl – As someone who has practiced NFP her entire marriage, I can say with certainty that the while abstaining during fertile times can occasionally be difficult, sex during fertile times isn’t all that different from sex during infertile times. While there may more desire during fertile times, the desire that is built up during the period of abstinance pretty much makes up for it. And like I said, once things get started, the sex itself is great no matter what time in the cycle one is in.

 

[OchsFam]

My wife seemed on-board for a while, but her OB-GYN convinced her otherwise. She convinced her that NFP was not reliable and that the pill is not a bad thing at all.

I think the first thing you may want to consider is finding a new OB-GYN who isn’t lying to her. You can find this information on your own, but this is directly from the Physicians Desk Reference.

Ethinyl estradiol and norgestimate contains a combination of female hormones that prevent ovulation (the release of an egg from an ovary). This medication also causes changes in your cervical mucus and uterine lining, making it harder for sperm to reach the uterus and harder for a fertilized egg to attach to the uterus.

What this means is that the birth control pill (insert which one you are using here) makes it harder for a fertilized egg to attach and thus one method of prevention is abortion. If you are pro-life and understand that a human life begins at conception, you must then realize that the birth control pill causes abortions as one method of prevention.

I understand that you may realize this, but maybe she does not believe your source. Simply look at the label on your birth control, it will be right there because they cannot hide it, they can only ignore mentioning it on their commercials.

In regards to effectiveness, NFP is as effective as you make it. If you understand the rules and you break them, than the fault is not with the method. It would be like having sex without a condom and blaming the condom for the pregnancy. That being said, of course NFP is not 100% effective, as a condom, BCP and surgical sterilization are not. Anytime you have sex, you have a chance of getting pregnant (this is the natural result of sex in fact). The only 100% effective way of avoiding pregnancy is by not having sex and no matter which method of birth control you use, you have to understand this to be true.

Morally, abstaining is not similar to contraception and using NFP is not a moral sin (as one poster mentioned). Anyone who believes the Catholic Church teaches that using NFP for spacing children is a mortal sin should re-read the CCC (2370 in particular). While I would agree that you should have a valid reason to avoid pregnancy, spacing your children is one of them as stated in the CCC. If you are called to marriage, you are called to have children and so permanent abstinence is also not an option.

As some have posted previously, this temporary abstinence can be a building experience. It is only when you look at it like “we can’t have sex tonight” that you start to see NFP as a negative. There are many statistics to show that NFP practicing couples have success in spacing children and more importantly staying married. In a time when divorce rates are at incredible highs, NFP practicing families are much more stable. I would recommend focusing on building your relationship through NFP as well as mentioning the health reasons for not using the BCP. NFP is the reason I have come to the Church in recent years and it has done amazing things in my relationship with my wife.

I will pray that you can communicate these things in a way to not create separation between you and your wife. I will also pray that the message will be heard because it is of monumental importance. I think the health reasons are important and the moral implications behind using the BCP are of even greater importance, but often overlooked are the truths to the impact practicing NFP can have on your marriage if you allow it. I would question why anyone would use the BCP or the barrier method when the wonderful gifts God has given us like the woman’s natural cycle and using NFP are available.

In using a barrier method or contraception, it seems to me that one is more interested in giving in to their desires than to actually focusing on loving your spouse. If you can’t wait until an infertile period to have sex, is the act truly a giving of yourself to your spouse or is it the need to fulfill a human desire of the flesh? I do not intend to offend anyone, but just provide a simple reflection into your relationship. In the end, it comes down to can you say no instead of sterilizing yourself so you don’t have to. If you can’t say no, what good is your yes.

 

[ChristinaM]

Online Knight, does your wife have any faithful Catholic women friends in your parish? I only ask because it’s good for ladies to have that support. I wonder if part of the reason she is resisting this is because all her friends are on the Pill and would call her crazy for wanting to use NFP. It’s tough when you don’t have a support system. That’s one reason I’m grateful for this forum.

You may also want to point out to her that the Billings Method of NFP was actually invented by two doctors. Drs. John and Evelyn Billings published much of their research on Billings NFP. If you’re interested I can send you links to peer-reviewed scientific articles on the effectiveness of NFP.

Right now I wouldn’t push it too much though. Just pray for her and gather resources to use if she starts to waver on the issue. Remember to love your wife as Christ loved the church. God bless.

 

[monorail]

Let me just say that NFP is a really bad deal for women. **Avoiding sex during the fertile time of the month is cruel and unusual punishment. **That’s when we women are the most INTERESTED in having sex! Imagine if you, as a man, had to refrain from sex when you wanted to have it, and were allowed to have it when you weren’t in the mood. And this is the ideal marital sex life that is “allowed” by the Catholic church? Use your brains, people. Jesus didn’t comment on birth control bc the methods we have available today didn’t exist back then. **These rules have been dreamed up by an institution called the Catholic church, which is run by celibate men, who may be really smart and well-intended, but what do they know about marital sex? Theses rules have not been handed down from God. **

1. Don’t you find it equally unusual to engage in sex during the fertile time of the month, when a woman is most interested because she’s ovulating and may become pregnant, only to stick an artificial barrier in there so she doesn’t become pregnant? That strikes me as rather unnatural.
2. If you are Catholic as your profile says, I encourage you to take that leap of faith and trust that the Holy Spirit has guided these “institutionalized celibate men” to make these calls for us. We don’t follow the Church’s teachings because we understand them and can rationalize them. We follow them because we have faith. Once you take that leap of faith, you may find in that new light that the teachings were not so crazy after all.

 

[rayne89]

Let me just say that NFP is a really bad deal for women. Avoiding sex during the fertile time of the month is cruel and unusual punishment. That’s when we women are the most INTERESTED in having sex! Imagine if you, as a man, had to refrain from sex when you wanted to have it, and were allowed to have it when you weren’t in the mood. And this is the ideal marital sex life that is “allowed” by the Catholic church? Use your brains, people. Jesus didn’t comment on birth control bc the methods we have available today didn’t exist back then. These rules have been dreamed up by an institution called the Catholic church, which is run by celibate men, who may be really smart and well-intended, but what do they know about marital sex? Theses rules have not been handed down from God.

I agree that any type of abortificant is wrong, but the pill prevents ovulation and thus avoids conception. I am just stunned that there are reasonable, educated people out there who think that they really might be condemned to Hell for using a condom.

To the guy who wrote the original post, I would urge you to trust your wife’s judgement when it comes to birth control. She sounds smart to me. Another thing: if you have a newborn baby you might want to encourage her to breastfeed exclusively. That is the most “natural” form of birth control there is, although, it is not completely reliable, so a back-up method is recommended. Here’s another tidbit on the subject:

“. . . (Fr. Richard McCormick maintains that) there are many Jesuits who do not accept the thesis that every contraceptive act is morally wrong. I can vouch for the fact that very many bishops share the same conviction. However, sadly enough, fewer and fewer are willing to say this publicly.” Thomas J. Gumbleton, Auxilliary Bishop of Detroit, in America, November 20, 1993.

And, another: Cardinal Doepfner had said in l966:
"Casti connubii is not infallible. There would be no harm in saying for once the Church had been wrong. Having learned from married couples, especially women, the Church must change so that we do not impose on others sacrifices we know in our hearts are not necessary.”

Really? So we’re just blind, uneducated sheep? The reason why women are most inclined to want sex during ovulation - is exactly that ovulation. Umm, if you’re taking a pill that prevents ovulation most of the time, the desire you speak of isn’t going to be there -so what is your point? You accuse those of us who use NFP as being uneducated yet you don’t even know that all birthcontrol pills are abortifacients. That’s why Planned Parenthood has on their website instructions on how to use regular birthcontrol as a morning after pill.

There are plenty of things that we encounter today that aren’t directly addressed in the Bible which is why Jesus gave the authority to the church to teach on these matters.

And saying that men who are celibate can’t teach on marital relations is like a doctor can’t treat cancer unless he experiences it.

I think it would wise to educate yourself further on this matter before telling us to use our brains.

 

[monorail]

To the OP, congrats on trying to follow a teaching you and your wife find difficult. Besides the “healthy and natural” approach others have talked about and which I’m big on, you can also try “free.” How much does BC cost per month? I’ve seen it run from $5 - $75. I mean, wow, that can really add up!

Not only that, but God, in His infinite wisdom, did not make women fertile the whole month. Why pay to contracept during one’s infertile times? Talk about a waste! (And not just of money either. Something just feels better, right, more bonding, when there’s no barrier between you and your loved one!)

 

[Consecrated]

Let me just say that NFP is a really bad deal for women. Avoiding sex during the fertile time of the month is cruel and unusual punishment.

No married couple is commanded by the Church to avoid sex at any time. In fact, the marital embrace is held up as an integral part of the sacrament. The Church says, INFALLIBY in this matter of morality, that when a married couple chooses make love, they realize that life is the intended fruit of that union, even if conception doesn’t happen in every single instance, and to accept the life that may be conceived as a gift from God.

NO couple MUST practice any type of fertility awareness or abstinence. If abstinence is too hard on your marriage, then reevaluate why you think you need to avoid children. If you decide for good reasons that you must avoid children, then look on the periodic abstinence that goes with that as an opportunity to sacrifice a little out of love and for the overall good of your family. I mean, we sacrifice for our families every day, in big ways and small. this is just another way we must sometimes sacrifice.

The rest of your post, I will leave to others much more competent than me to comment on. I do just want to remind anyone that might be reading this that your comments, while they do state your own opinion and even one cardinal’s own (erroneous) opinion, do not in any way reflect infallible Church teaching regarding the sacrament of Marriage. Teaching which comes from the mouth of God and is in place for the GOOD of the people of the Church and NOT to “tie up heavy burdens impossible to carry”.

In fact this quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church accurately states the *infallible *teaching of the Church in this matter:

2366 Fecundity is a gift, an end of marriage, for conjugal love naturally tends to be fruitful. A child does not come from outside as something added on to the mutual love of the spouses, but springs from the very heart of that mutual giving, as its fruit and fulfillment. So the Church, which is "on the side of life,"151 teaches that "it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life."152 "This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act."153

2367 Called to give life, spouses share in the creative power and fatherhood of God.154 "Married couples should regard it as their proper mission to transmit human life and to educate their children; they should realize that they are thereby cooperating with the love of God the Creator and are, in a certain sense, its interpreters. They will fulfill this duty with a sense of human and Christian responsibility."155

2368 A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. Moreover, they should conform their behavior to the objective criteria of morality:

When it is a question of harmonizing married love with the responsible transmission of life, the morality of the behavior does not depend on sincere intention and evaluation of motives alone; but it must be determined by objective criteria, criteria drawn from the nature of the person and his acts criteria that respect the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love; this is possible only if the virtue of married chastity is practiced with sincerity of heart.156

2369 "By safeguarding both these essential aspects, the unitive and the procreative, the conjugal act preserves in its fullness the sense of true mutual love and its orientation toward man’s exalted vocation to parenthood."157

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160

OP sorry for going off topic a little.

 

[lizziebits]

1. Don’t you find it equally unusual to engage in sex during the fertile time of the month, when a woman is most interested because she’s ovulating and may become pregnant, only to stick an artificial barrier in there so she doesn’t become pregnant? That strikes me as rather unnatural.
2. If you are Catholic as your profile says, I encourage you to take that leap of faith and trust that the Holy Spirit has guided these “institutionalized celibate men” to make these calls for us. We don’t follow the Church’s teachings because we understand them and can rationalize them. We follow them because we have faith. Once you take that leap of faith, you may find in that new light that the teachings were not so crazy after all.

I always forget this, although is obvious. A woman’s body on the pill will not experience that fertile phase desire anyway! She has no fertile phase!

OP – I am also sorry to go off topic. I just get a little passionate about this!

 

[LongingForLight]

Obviously you would have to be as delicate and tactful as possible about pointing out that ABC is a serious sin but it is the only way to convince somebody to use NFP. There is simply no reason to use NFP except for religious reasons. Why on earth would you abstain for half of the month, or abstain for months at a time unless you thought ABC was a serious sin? Health concerns might be good enough for getting her off the pill, but what about barrier methods, withdrawl, or FAM?

False. My agnostic MIL is the only woman in our families who supported me and DH in using NFP (my family is Catholic, BTW) - she had used it before, and knew it was reliable and healthy. It’s also a sort of “hippy” extreme liberal thing - no artificial products, etc.

 

[lizziebits]

False. My agnostic MIL is the only woman in our families who supported me and DH in using NFP (my family is Catholic, BTW) - she had used it before, and knew it was reliable and healthy. It’s also a sort of “hippy” extreme liberal thing - no artificial products, etc.

This is true, there are many natural minded women who use it. Even the author of TCOYF recommends NOT using condoms during the fertile phase. She says it is an option, but does not use them herself.

 

[FootStool]

Hi all,

First, a little background…

My wife and I are both 30-years-old and the proud parents of two-year-old & newborn daughters. We are both practicing Catholics, but have a different approach to our faith. I am a more “hard-liner” who really trusts the Catechism, the laws of the Church, and our Church heirarchy when it comes to my faith. My wife has a much more “personal” view of faith and is more about simply being the best person you can be.

When we were first married, I was okay with using the pill. After studying more, I have learned about the aborofacient properties of using the pill and I now despise it. After the birth of our first daughter, I ordered the NFP home kit from the CCL. My wife seemed on-board for a while, but her OB-GYN convinced her otherwise. She convinced her that NFP was not reliable and that the pill is not a bad thing at all. The ensuing arguments really hurt our relationship. I relented and continue to pray for her to have a change of heart.

I love my wife too much to be okay with thinking that my soul is okay since I do not want to use the pill.

Has anyone been there? What can I do beside simply praying without damaging our relationship?

Thanks for your prayers and any suggestions you can throw my way!

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Hello Online Knight!

The very first step taken by you is commendable! To follow NFP is a grace-filled decision given you by the Holy Spirit, for He is the Author of Life!

We have been there and done that! We are in our 30s, married for 12+ years and have four children!

We too called ourselves catholic… while using contraception… there itself was denial / heresy! Receiving Holy communion in a state of mortal sin is sacrilege! One sin leads to another… so please know what you do and fail to do.

The pill wasn’t used as it is a “pill that works on the inside” while condoms are external…
As long as we were using contraception, there was no real feeling of “satisfaction, that which comes from a clear conscience and a complete giving of oneself” as guilt was associated with each and every intercourse. Despite contraception, there were days/nights that we skipped having any marital relationships. So then why would NFP so difficult to follow?

NFP is abstaining from sex during the fertile days! Right! So, we attended the NFP classes after having 3 children, got pregnant during the NFP learning stages and delivered the fourth baby within a 12 month period. We were afraid, nervous and uncertain. People told us that we were mad! Our very own family members made us feel like we did something very wrong and sinful… when all this was actually the contrary…

I realized… not all are called to the same degree of virtue… as the bible says “Some days are holier that others” … so the more I decided to follow Jesus, my cross was getting lighter because Jesus is carrying it for me… it is the outward sign( “our decision / firm resolve to sin no more”) nutures the inward grace (thru sacramental confession and Holy communion) with increase in virtue and fruits of the Holy Spirit.

One VERY strong recommendation from me… pray the chaplet / Rosary in honor of our Sorrowful Mother; The 7 Dolors. She obtains for us the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit thru Her 7 Sorrows. Or if time is a constraint… just 10 Hail Mary’s each day is great… 7 for Her sorrows and 3 for the tears that She shed. I do NOT ask you to trust me… but I do say TRUST HER thru this devotion and watch the changes that will take place in your life!

I am not boasting… but am witnessing and experiencing the power of Her intercession… DEVOTION TO THE SORROWFUL MOTHER HAS CHANGED MY LIFE INSIDE / OUT!

ixeh.net/faith/Seven-S/ss-menu.html

God loves us all and wants for us to be SAINTS!!!

If you truly love your wife then you would want eternity for her too!

Feel free to email if you have decided to take up the challenge…

God bless us all!

 

[LongingForLight]

I can’t imagine anyone being able to practice NFP without a very strong faith.

It takes only one partner with a strong faith - the other can get by with a strong and sincere love. My DH is agnostic. If it weren’t for my faith, he would insist on ABC. He still brings up condoms occasionally as an option. But he knows how much living as a full Catholic means to me and how much healthier I am when I am able to more fully live my faith, so for my good he is willing to comprimise on NPF (comprimise, because I want a baby and don’t care about the finances).

I do think it would be harder if the woman were the one with weaker faith. NFP is harder for women. But then, so is ABC. Whaddya expect, it’s our purpose being stymied more than the man’s, in either case.

 

[LongingForLight]

Here is my thought: Don’t make it about the church. Don’t focus even on health benefits, although they are significant. Do mention that the abortifacient effects pain you and get some good information on that at hand so that you have evidence when it naturally comes up in conversation. Focus on (a) her love for you and (b) answering her concerns. Make the message something like, “I know you love me, but it would really mean a lot to me if you would show it by learning about NFP. I will love you no matter what happens.”

Because the Pill is an abortifacient, you may want to ask her to temporarily comprimise with a non-abortifacient method, like a diaphragm. I don’t think that you can licitly use condoms because that is YOU using ABC, but if your wife chooses to use ABC then I don’t think you are required to abstain, provided you are not encouraging her in using ABC. That might be a question for the “Ask an Apologist” forum.

Another reason to avoid the Pill is that you can’t try NFP charting while she is using it. It mucks with her cycles (and will continue to do so for several months after she quits, making switching to NFP difficult).

Ask her if she could attend NFP classes with you, at least, and learn more - no commitment to use it. If she is open to this, try charting to see if she can identify when she ovulates. Charting will also be beneficial to her because it will help her understand what her body is doing and which time of the month she is at - which can be REALLY helpful sometimes (predicting Aunt Flo, for example - GREAT for women with cycles of varying lengths who otherwise get surprised!). You can handle handing her the thermometer and putting it away after she takes her temperature and keeping the charts for her, if she is willing to try it.

As long as she is not having harmones mucking with her body, you can then switch to NFP at any time. Take as much of the work off of her as you can. Don’t pressure her, just let her know that you want this and remove as many barriers as she is willing to let you remove.

If she won’t attend with you, maybe you can attend classes on your own. Even if she won’t track the mucus symptom, maybe you can get her to take her temperature daily so she can see the pattern.

My DH and I lived together before marriage, and I used the Pill for one year (I got a one-year supply from Planned Parenthood). Just before the supply ran out, a variety of things led me to feel very hurt by the distance I was putting between myself and God through my inappropriate relationship with my boyfriend. He realized how much this hurt me, and he insisted that we stop having sex. We became engaged shortly after that, but he wasn’t sure he was willing to trust NFP to work. So we took classes and started charting. I had over a year’s worth of charts when we married, and it was blatant what my body was doing when. DH agreed that the charts were pretty easy to figure out and we obviously could tell what was going on, so we used NFP (since the alternative was total abstinence . . . I was pretty relieved).

 

[naturegirl]

Wow, I’ve got to bow out of this thread, many of the respondents are making religion so complicated with all these rules. It’s comical!

I subscribe to the school of thought that religion is not about rules, but relationships. Your relationship with God, your relationship with others…these are the important things. Focus on the rules to the exclusion of the main Christian values, and you may be missing the big picture.

Listen to what Father Phillip says on the subject: "As a dear and wonderful friend of mine, a nun who has worn the habit of her order for more than 60 years, would always say to me…and as I say to you, “Go gently, especially with yourself!”

 

[lizziebits]

Wow, I’ve got to bow out of this thread, many of the respondents are making religion so complicated with all these rules. It’s comical!

I subscribe to the school of thought that religion is not about rules, but relationships. Your relationship with God, your relationship with others…these are the important things. Focus on the rules to the exclusion of the main Christian values, and you may be missing the big picture.

Listen to what Father Phillip says on the subject: "As a dear and wonderful friend of mine, a nun who has worn the habit of her order for more than 60 years, would always say to me…and as I say to you, “Go gently, especially with yourself!”

Gently, naturegirl, I’m going to suggest that you might be a little blinded by some pre-conceived notions. I know I, as others, have pointed out why contraception is actually damaging – not just wrong because its wrong.

Specifically, a couple people discussed the notion that one of your arguments (the high desire coresponding with fertile phase) was without merit. I’m always genuinely interested in a fruitful discussion, and would be interested in any more thoughts you have on that matter, specifically.

 

[ChristinaM]

Wow, I’ve got to bow out of this thread, many of the respondents are making religion so complicated with all these rules. It’s comical!

I subscribe to the school of thought that religion is not about rules, but relationships. Your relationship with God, your relationship with others…these are the important things. Focus on the rules to the exclusion of the main Christian values, and you may be missing the big picture.

Listen to what Father Phillip says on the subject: "As a dear and wonderful friend of mine, a nun who has worn the habit of her order for more than 60 years, would always say to me…and as I say to you, “Go gently, especially with yourself!”

It is not complicated at all. It is very simple. Sex and procreation are inseparable. Any attempt to artificially eliminate the procreative element of sex or achieve procreation without sex is a violation of the natural moral law. I can’t imagine anything less complicated, to be honest.

As for “being gentle” with myself, I prefer to take the narrow path as Jesus commanded us. He never told us following Him would be easy. I am confident that by obeying the laws of the Church He established, I am conforming myself to His will. I find it very curious that so many people think following the “rules” and having a personal relationship with Jesus are mutually exclusive. That certainly isn’t the case for me and for many other Catholics on this board.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the laws of the Church are intended to draw us closer to Him, and maybe that’s why they exist?

 

[Kit15]

False. My agnostic MIL is the only woman in our families who supported me and DH in using NFP (my family is Catholic, BTW) - she had used it before, and knew it was reliable and healthy. It’s also a sort of “hippy” extreme liberal thing - no artificial products, etc.

Agreed. I’d want to practice NFP for the health benefits anyway even if I was not Catholic. I’d probably be charting my cycles even if I was not married.

It’s…really useful. As a woman, it’s really useful regardless of your marital status. I’m really grateful that science has discovered this method.

TMI but true story…I JUST had an anovulatory cycle. My cycles are irregular to begin with and this one was pretty average length. I went though a phase of “menstrual bleeding” (but without the usual cramps). Everything seemed normal. But I know I didn’t ovulate and I really should be seeing a doctor soon because it may be an indicator of a bigger problem…

I wouldn’t have realized this if it were not for NFP.

To the OP - FYI: The Rhythm Method is also a “natural” form of birth control and there are doctors who do think “RM” when they hear “NFP”. But NFP has come a very long way over the years and maybe her doctor hasn’t caught up.

 

[FootStool]

Online Knight,

You may sleep apart on the fertile days so to avoid the temptation!!!

 

[Friend_forever]

First of all, congratulations on your decision to pursue NFP.

2nd, keep praying for your wife and insisting on NFP. But, be PATIENT. Switching from ABC to NFP is a process that might take a lot of time and you don’t need to strain your marriage. You are already on the right direction and God is walking right besides you.

Read the following article that I found that gave me a GREAT relief when I felt very troubled by all this contraceptive issues.

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[Lurgid]

I mentioned it to my wife a while back, and she resisted at first. But, after a couple more months of my prayer, she brought it up to me again, and we’ve just started. However, we still have to learn exactly how to chart, etc., and the classes in our diocese are a bit far of a drive.