Wife would rather go to church on Saturday as it ruins her Sunday?

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In that case, I think 1ke is right. You need to directly ask her why she is always late for Mass, and why she can’t respect you and your children to be on time. It is childish.

Lou
Yes–unfortunately that type of behavior is her way of dealing with problems.

We’ve tried to discuss before. Haven’t gotten anywhere. Probably the biggest 2 isues. 1). 4 kids in school (and church) half and hour away and she hates it. 2) We don’t work well together in matters of money/finance.

Moving is not easy as the housing market is still down where we live and the area where the church is is the most expensive part of town to live in. I’d rather make the drive than double our mortgage…and be in more debt for 15 additional years. Most people in the parish don’t have 5 kids and work from home.

I guess her resentment of that way of thinking is what is driving this attitude.
 
In that case, I think 1ke is right. You need to directly ask her why she is always late for Mass, and why she can’t respect you and your children to be on time. It is childish.

Lou
Respect for God as well. For all He does for us, that anyone cannot be with him for just one hour a week makes me so sad.

Praying for your situation.
 
Yes–unfortunately that type of behavior is her way of dealing with problems.

We’ve tried to discuss before. Haven’t gotten anywhere. Probably the biggest 2 isues. 1). 4 kids in school (and church) half and hour away and she hates it. 2) We don’t work well together in matters of money/finance.

Moving is not easy as the housing market is still down where we live and the area where the church is is the most expensive part of town to live in. I’d rather make the drive than double our mortgage…and be in more debt for 15 additional years. Most people in the parish don’t have 5 kids and work from home.

I guess her resentment of that way of thinking is what is driving this attitude.
I think the best thing would be to get some counselling. You can help to communicate better with her, and she can learn how to assert herself without being passive aggressive.

Lou
 
I have no problem going to the 4:30 mass at our parish, or any of the Sunday masses. **She doesn’t wan to go on Sunday, and complains that the it also ruins her Saturday because it is 25 minutes away. We are on the road a lot because 4 of our kids attend school there (we split taking them during the week).
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Also–we would always be late because on her own, she can not or will not plan enough to get ready on time, or express dismay in me telling her that it’s time to start getting ready for church or we wont make it on time. This is assuming I would need to get all of the kids ready too.
I remember my parents having the same discussions when I was a kid. Our parish wasn’t 25 minutes away, but it was the same parish we kids were attending Catholic School at. Which meant that going on Sundays (and if we went for confession (which I think we did once) or one of us kids had a sporting event we’d also be there on Saturday), meant going to the same parish we already went to 5 days a week. My parents hit a point when my brother (who was 7 years behind me) was starting in school where they’d just couldn’t do it anymore. They couldn’t bring themselves to go to the same parish and parking lot 6 or 7 days a week even if they were obligated to do so as Catholics so they stopped going regularly.

If there had been a closer parish or even an equidistant but alternative parish we could have attended I’d bet my parents would have been more inclined to do so if just for a little variety. Don’t know if maybe your wife is experiencing the same thing, but if the local parish is closer and easier to get to and she still wants to attend it, I wouldn’t consider that a bad thing. I mean I may be reading your OP wrong, but you seem to object a bit to the local parish due to it being “liberal” as compared to your church 25 minutes away which you termed conservative. In what way is one conservative and the other liberal to the point you’d so favor the church much further away?
 
Yes–unfortunately that type of behavior is her way of dealing with problems.

We’ve tried to discuss before. Haven’t gotten anywhere. Probably the biggest 2 isues. 1). 4 kids in school (and church) half and hour away and she hates it. 2) We don’t work well together in matters of money/finance.

Moving is not easy as the housing market is still down where we live and the area where the church is is the most expensive part of town to live in. I’d rather make the drive than double our mortgage…and be in more debt for 15 additional years. Most people in the parish don’t have 5 kids and work from home.

I guess her resentment of that way of thinking is what is driving this attitude.
sounds like there are many underlying issues including money and finances, and the fact that the kids are a half hour drive to/from school every day.

Is there a closer Catholic school or a public school? I appreciate your commitment to Catholic school, but it sounds like it is at the center of the problem-- have you looked at alternatives? The only one you seem to consider is keeping the status quo or moving to be near the school (which you’ve ruled out). What about changing schools?
 
IMHO, Mass is the symptom, something else is the problem. She is using the Mass to engage in passive aggressive behavior.

Something is underlying this. She knows it is important to you. Yet, she is choosing do something to make you angry and to be late to Mass. Yes, she is CHOOSING to be late. She’s doing it ON PURPOSE. You are ignoring that part.

I think you need to get to the bottom of what is behind it. It’s a bad example to the children. It’s childish behavior. And, it’s not solving anything, it’s putting a wedge between you.

Find a time when you two have the time to talk it out uninterrupted, even if it means getting a babysitter. If you both like and respect the pastor at your parish, make an appointment to talk with him together about this issue.

If she refuses to change, take the kids to mass with you, on time and in full.
Yes, I too agree with this.

I would suggest that yes, if you want to get your kids to mass on time, there will need to be a compromise. And it is this: YOU make sure all of the children are ready for the Saturday mass. When it is time to go so that you will be there on time, take the children and go. Your wife can be ready, or get there separately. (Assuming you have 2 cars,) You must be firm with the announcement that all of the children are going with you and they are all going on time. It is your job to get your kids to mass whether your wife us there or not, no choice on their part of who they go with, or who they go home with.
 
Yes, I too agree with this.

I would suggest that yes, if you want to get your kids to mass on time, there will need to be a compromise. And it is this: YOU make sure all of the children are ready for the Saturday mass. When it is time to go so that you will be there on time, take the children and go. Your wife can be ready, or get there separately. (Assuming you have 2 cars,) You must be firm with the announcement that all of the children are going with you and they are all going on time. It is your job to get your kids to mass whether your wife us there or not, no choice on their part of who they go with, or who they go home with.
Is going to Saturday mass just to get it out of the way every week acceptable? My parents taught us that it was fine to go to mass on Saturday if we had a commitment on Sunday (sports, travelling, etc)…but Sunday if we can.

I agree it’s what I probably need to do given the circumstances, but getting all 5 kids and myself ready seems like enabling her. Not to mention it tends to rub me the wrong way…but it’s probably the best bet at this point.
 
Is going to Saturday mass just to get it out of the way every week acceptable? My parents taught us that it was fine to go to mass on Saturday if we had a commitment on Sunday (sports, travelling, etc)…but Sunday if we can.

I agree it’s what I probably need to do given the circumstances, but getting all 5 kids and myself ready seems like enabling her. Not to mention it tends to rub me the wrong way…but it’s probably the best bet at this point.
If mass on Saturday were not allowed, it wouldn’t exist.

Let me put this gently. Sometimes, we have to lead, whether we want to or not.
If you want your children to go to mass on time, you will have to make it happen.

If you feel you are enabling her, you aren’t. You enable her if you continue to let her take your children to mass late and leave early. If you say it rubs you the wrong way, that has more to do with your relationship and not attending mass.

As suggested, maybe some counseling with your parish priest would help. Your wife is coming across as a bit passive aggressive. She is unhappy about the school arrangements and this is how she is getting back, or at least making a point.
 
Is going to Saturday mass just to get it out of the way every week acceptable? My parents taught us that it was fine to go to mass on Saturday if we had a commitment on Sunday (sports, travelling, etc)…but Sunday if we can.

I agree it’s what I probably need to do given the circumstances, but getting all 5 kids and myself ready seems like enabling her. Not to mention it tends to rub me the wrong way…but it’s probably the best bet at this point.
Of course “getting it out of the way” is not the correct attitude. But your posts indicate a way deeper problem than Mass attendance. Through your posts your wife appears in a bad light and so do you. Her passive aggressiveness and your wish to “not enable” her by helping shows a complete lack of respect. I think your leadership in faith matters with your family is weak. Not to mention what looks like a marriage and family in trouble or heading that way.
How can you raise kids in the faith like this?

This is not about Mass times it is a deeper problem and using Mass as the battleground disrespects our Lord.
 
If mass on Saturday were not allowed, it wouldn’t exist.

Let me put this gently. Sometimes, we have to lead, whether we want to or not.
If you want your children to go to mass on time, you will have to make it happen.

If you feel you are enabling her, you aren’t. You enable her if you continue to let her take your children to mass late and leave early. If you say it rubs you the wrong way, that has more to do with your relationship and not attending mass.

As suggested, maybe some counseling with your parish priest would help. Your wife is coming across as a bit passive aggressive. She is unhappy about the school arrangements and this is how she is getting back, or at least making a point.
Yes.

You have to consider what’s better in the long run.

In the long run, it’s better that your wife goes to Mass with you as a family than she does not attend at all, or attends at a different time.

In the long run, it’s better for your wife to feel listened to than feeling ignored and given more “ammunition” to be passive aggressive about.

In the long run, it’s better to save your energy for the real problems. As others have said, the real problem is why your wife is being passive aggressive and going to Mass is just a symptom.

Lou
 
I don’t think leading is necessarily the same as “sticking to your guns.” That sounds like a shootout, like you’re saying you need to “win,” to force her to do things your way, or die trying.

What it sounds like you’re doing is seeing your wife as a problem and trying to “fix” her. She is not a problem, she is a human being, a daughter of God, and your equal. She is your wife, the woman you love. You are on the same team, but right now, you’re using different plays and shooting for different goals. You need to find your common goal. And that means you need to listen for understanding, not information.

It would be nice if you two could actually come to an agreement (not “win” the argument) about which Mass/parish to attend. If possible, figure out what your needs/wants are (hint: it’s NOT, “I want you to be at Mass on time”), and what hers are, and find a solution that works for both of you. And when either of you slips up (because hey, we’re all human), forgive quickly and move forward.

Food for thought: since you are getting all of the kids ready, it sounds like you’ve also started treating your wife as one of the children (sometimes us parents slip into that mindset, and it’s hard to get out of it). Stop telling her what she needs to do and stop taking over. She’s an adult. She knows what she needs to do, but she probably resents being told what to do and how/when to do it. You don’t have that authority; you aren’t the one responsible for getting her to Mass. She is. If she can figure out how to get anywhere else on time, she can figure this out. If you’re going to help, then help. If you’re going to “help” by taking over so you can attempt to force her to do what you want, then don’t.

If this is really the hill you want to die on, then you will have to be responsible for getting yourself to Mass on time, and stop blaming her when you are late. You are CHOOSING to wait on her. The night before, tell everyone what time you will be leaving for Mass in the morning. Then stick to it. If she’s not ready on time, leave without her and save her a seat (if you have another car she can take). Don’t mention her lateness, don’t complain or nag, just speak positively about Mass (not in a “see what you missed” kind of way, but actual joy). If she complains that you left without her, gently take her hands, look her in the eyes, and tell her that you would really like her to be there with you, but you have realized that you can’t control her, and you are sorry that you were trying to before. Let her know that it’s very important to you to be on time for Mass, so you are going to get there on time. You’re not doing this to control her or “punish” her, just like you know she’s not been running late to punish you. You hope she comes with you, but you’re not going to force or nag or complain if she chooses to leave later, or go to another Mass. You will save her a seat, and you hope that she will choose to be there with you, even if she takes a different car, because you really want to share Mass with her.

If you can’t or won’t do that, then accept that you are going to be late every week (this would be what I’d most likely recommend, but you know your wife better than I do!). Accept it as the most she can currently do, and that she is giving what she can. Stop demanding more, and appreciate the effort she is giving. Give her the benefit of the doubt. Let love blind you to her faults. Love her where she is.

You cannot be her Holy Spirit. You can be a good example, but you cannot force her to love Mass, or to get there on time, and if she feels you disapprove of the effort she is making (because you want more), she’s not likely to put in more effort, but may do less. You haven’t given her any reason to WANT to do more. “Because it would make me happy” might be enough, but you haven’t even shown that you are likely to BE happy if she puts in the (considerable) effort to change–in fact, when she feels she’s making some effort to get to Mass with you, you are more upset than you probably were when the two of you went to Mass separately. Right?

It also sounds like she’s resenting Mass with you because it’s where she feels she loses some of your love–you don’t approve of her tardiness, you are disappointed with her, you blame her, she feels like she’s not good enough as she is to be worthy of your love and approval. Again, the only solution is to love her where she is.

As God does. 😉
 
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Clearly she is being obstinate–for whatever reasons. Perhaps resentment? She probably isn’t happy bringing up 5 kids. That’s what it sounds like to me.

If she won’t commit to going to Mass with you and the kids, then take the kids without her. It’s what she wants, or thinks she wants. You two need marriage counseling to get to the bottom of her resentment. In the meantime, take your kids to Mass. You can’t let her attitude drive their spiritual development nor rob you of you rights as a Catholic father.
 
I don’t think leading is necessarily the same as “sticking to your guns.” That sounds like a shootout, like you’re saying you need to “win,” to force her to do things your way, or die trying.

What it sounds like you’re doing is seeing your wife as a problem and trying to “fix” her. She is not a problem, she is a human being, a daughter of God, and your equal. She is your wife, the woman you love. You are on the same team, but right now, you’re using different plays and shooting for different goals. You need to find your common goal. And that means you need to listen for understanding, not information.

It would be nice if you two could actually come to an agreement (not “win” the argument) about which Mass/parish to attend. If possible, figure out what your needs/wants are (hint: it’s NOT, “I want you to be at Mass on time”), and what hers are, and find a solution that works for both of you. And when either of you slips up (because hey, we’re all human), forgive quickly and move forward.

Food for thought: since you are getting all of the kids ready, it sounds like you’ve also started treating your wife as one of the children (sometimes us parents slip into that mindset, and it’s hard to get out of it). Stop telling her what she needs to do and stop taking over. She’s an adult. She knows what she needs to do, but she probably resents being told what to do and how/when to do it. You don’t have that authority; you aren’t the one responsible for getting her to Mass. She is. If she can figure out how to get anywhere else on time, she can figure this out. If you’re going to help, then help. If you’re going to “help” by taking over so you can attempt to force her to do what you want, then don’t.

If this is really the hill you want to die on, then you will have to be responsible for getting yourself to Mass on time, and stop blaming her when you are late. You are CHOOSING to wait on her. The night before, tell everyone what time you will be leaving for Mass in the morning. Then stick to it. If she’s not ready on time, leave without her and save her a seat (if you have another car she can take). Don’t mention her lateness, don’t complain or nag, just speak positively about Mass (not in a “see what you missed” kind of way, but actual joy). If she complains that you left without her, gently take her hands, look her in the eyes, and tell her that you would really like her to be there with you, but you have realized that you can’t control her, and you are sorry that you were trying to before. Let her know that it’s very important to you to be on time for Mass, so you are going to get there on time. You’re not doing this to control her or “punish” her, just like you know she’s not been running late to punish you. You hope she comes with you, but you’re not going to force or nag or complain if she chooses to leave later, or go to another Mass. You will save her a seat, and you hope that she will choose to be there with you, even if she takes a different car, because you really want to share Mass with her.

If you can’t or won’t do that, then accept that you are going to be late every week (this would be what I’d most likely recommend, but you know your wife better than I do!). Accept it as the most she can currently do, and that she is giving what she can. Stop demanding more, and appreciate the effort she is giving. Give her the benefit of the doubt. Let love blind you to her faults. Love her where she is.

You cannot be her Holy Spirit. You can be a good example, but you cannot force her to love Mass, or to get there on time, and if she feels you disapprove of the effort she is making (because you want more), she’s not likely to put in more effort, but may do less. You haven’t given her any reason to WANT to do more. “Because it would make me happy” might be enough, but you haven’t even shown that you are likely to BE happy if she puts in the (considerable) effort to change–in fact, when she feels she’s making some effort to get to Mass with you, you are more upset than you probably were when the two of you went to Mass separately. Right?

It also sounds like she’s resenting Mass with you because it’s where she feels she loses some of your love–you don’t approve of her tardiness, you are disappointed with her, you blame her, she feels like she’s not good enough as she is to be worthy of your love and approval. Again, the only solution is to love her where she is.

As God does. 😉
I’m more confused than ever now.

She is going to be late pretty much whatever church we go to on whatever day. It’s acceptable to her, and I can not change that. Yes–it appears some of that reason is resentment. The other reason is that it’s not that important to her. I will work on the resentment.

My heart tells me that attending the church that we belong to, that our kids to to school at, were baptized at and we were married at as a family is the right thing to do.

It doesn’t matter what time I tell the family we are going to church on Sunday, or how many of the kids I get ready, she is going on Saturday. She has decided she would rather go on Saturday to a closer parish because it is easy and doen’t ruin her Sunday. . I guess I will go against my heart and start going with her to the local church…but it doesn’t feel right to me. Not sure what else is even an option at this point.
 
First, thing that came to my mind is have you considered going on a marriage encounter weekend? We went early in our marriage before we had any communication problems, but it sure did help us learn how to communicate with the real issue at hand.

In the mean time you are the head of the household, the husband and the father. It doesn’t matter if it isn’t fair to you. It is our job to make sacrifices.
Ephesians 5:25
25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,

So a couple of recommendations would be to go to the Saturday mass as a family. If you don’t get anything out of it make yourself an example to your wife and children by getting up and going by yourself to the 8 am mass at your regular church as well.

A few years back I remember hearing about a couple that took their kids to get ice cream every Saturday night, 52 weeks out of the year. I remember thinking, man I got 5 kids why would I want to spend $25 a week on ice cream what a waste. Well to this day their grown kids and grand kids still enjoy that Saturday evening ritual. Knowing what I know now, If I could turn back time I would have made it a Saturday night staple to go to 6:30 mass followed by the ice cream stand. But 3 of my 5 are in college now and one of them has fallen away from the faith. I will have to learn to live with my loss.

All you can do is make sure you get them there, you can’t make them pay attention. Even if you gotta bribe them to get them there on time, at least you got them there.

How about Saturday pizza and movie night after church.

As for your wife show her you love her and live out your Catholic faith by helping her and being there for her. I didn’t catch if your wife works on top of running the kids or not. But my wife didn’t work while out kids were young and I still made it a point to do all of the cooking on the weekends. Tried to do the laundry once, but we both agreed turning all of the laundry a light pink wasn’t very loving. 😃

God Bless
 
I have read the whole thread and this is what I think ( have been in a similar situation when my kids were little but now they are older):

1). For one reason or another, your wife seems burned out. Tell her you hope that she feels better soon
2) however, in the meantime, take over getting the kids to church. Take them to the mass you and your wife decide is best for your family
3). Have the kids dress themselves, have the older ones help the younger ones, let them wear mis- matched outfits if necessary
4). Leave for mass on time. Half an hour before call to everyone “we’re leaving for church in half an hour”. Then “we’re leaving in 5 mins!” Do not direct this toward your wife, just a general announcement
5). Leave on time. If your wife isn’t ready say in your nicest voice “we’re leaving honey!”
6). Do not let the kids see your annoyance. Talk about getting donuts after mass or going to the park after mass
7). If and when your wife shows up, smile and give her a hug or whatever she likes
8). Let her know you are open to talk about what is bothering her if she wants to talk
9). Be on the lookout for other warning signs
10). Stay positive 😀 and be flexible
 
I’m more confused than ever now.

She is going to be late pretty much whatever church we go to on whatever day. It’s acceptable to her, and I can not change that. Yes–it appears some of that reason is resentment. The other reason is that it’s not that important to her. I will work on the resentment.

My heart tells me that attending the church that we belong to, that our kids to to school at, were baptized at and we were married at as a family is the right thing to do.

It doesn’t matter what time I tell the family we are going to church on Sunday, or how many of the kids I get ready, she is going on Saturday. She has decided she would rather go on Saturday to a closer parish because it is easy and doen’t ruin her Sunday. . I guess I will go against my heart and start going with her to the local church…but it doesn’t feel right to me. Not sure what else is even an option at this point.
Actually, the parish in which you live is your parish not the one where you grew up and were married. The parish closest to you is most likely the one that is your territorial parish, even if you don’t care for the way they do things there. It doesn’t mean you have to send your kids to their parish school, but the parish that is 25 minutes away, is not your parish–not territorially. Indeed, your closest parish is where your kids should be receiving their sacraments of initiation–their first confession, first communion, and confirmation. So, your wife is right about that, although I suspect she doesn’t know the difference. If she can’t make it on time to any Mass, I’ll say it again. Take the kids and let her do what she wants to do. You can’t make her do anything. You can ask. You can hope. You can pray. But you can’t force her to do anything against her will.
 
It’s a traditional/conservative Catholic church like a was raised in…the priests aren’t worried about offending anyone by sticking to the church’s teachings. Also, our kids go to school there and see the priests, brothers, and nuns that they are with in school each week at mass.

The local church where she is going is new built like a stadium with the seats in a 360 degree circle around the altar. People are coming, going, in out all mass. Shorts and tennis shoes are the norm and most leave after communion.
 
Actually, the parish in which you live is your parish not the one where you grew up and were married. The parish closest to you is most likely the one that is your territorial parish, even if you don’t care for the way they do things there. It doesn’t mean you have to send your kids to their parish school, but the parish that is 25 minutes away, is not your parish–not territorially. Indeed, your closest parish is where your kids should be receiving their sacraments of initiation–their first confession, first communion, and confirmation. So, your wife is right about that, although I suspect she doesn’t know the difference. If she can’t make it on time to any Mass, I’ll say it again. Take the kids and let her do what she wants to do. You can’t make her do anything. You can ask. You can hope. You can pray. But you can’t force her to do anything against her will.
The parish isn’t the one I was grew up in. When we were dating, we went to several local parishes and choose the one (this one) that we were most comfortable with. We became members and were married there even though it was a bit of a drive. Our kids were baptized there, and go to school there. The local parish has no school.

My wife still wants to send our kids to this parish and have them receive their sacraments there, she just wants to go to a closer church on Saturday.
 
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