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Is this a retraction?
What crime do you feel comfortable suggesting that I may have committed?Maybe you are guilty of the same crimes.
Yes, now please provide your evidence.Is this a retraction?
Thanks.Mea culpa
I haven’t talked about the narratives. I’ve only spoken about WL, which has proved themselves to be honest and unbiased brokers of information.and the narratives woven from them. Which in this case, indications are that they have made up.
NopeThanks.
Post # 18 contains the reaction of the denial of Scott Shane, and the link to the book in which this story was told years in advance of the WL “new” story.
Yes that’s true. Strangely enough.I haven’t talked about the narratives.
It does.Post 18 may provide some context for some of the communication but it doesn’t dispute the OP.
You can get the whole tweet - includin; that’s just nonsense - by going to twitter. (I haven’t figured out how to link an actual tweet thread.)And the story is that “WL created an online redaction engine so we could take out names of those who might be imprisoned or worse from cables we published. WL agreed on the consultation with State Dept.” @ScottShaneNYT
They’ve got enough of a track record of being right that I feel safe in believing them for the time being.Fair enough, but why should you believe the claim made by WL. There is no indepednet supporting evidence?
Those things can be, certainly.I think the time line and overall context is significant.
Can you link to something about this, please?The cable gate story was not supportive of the administration; just the opposite.
The communication with the DOS by the the NYT writer, in collaboration with WL, was revealed years ago; the goal was to give an opportunity to protect assets.
“For whatever reason”…why would they craft a lie now?Years later, for whatever reason, WL creates this story, that gets traction on infowars, wnd, gatewaypundit and the like.
Why should it?The story is so well assembled that it doesn’t even comment of the prior publication of similar content nor does it document the spin, deflection, and diversion.
You don’t agree that it paints Hillary in a really bad light, and by association, the Dems?This is about as fakey a piece of fake news as you could ask for. But if it confirms anti-Hillary bias, folks are all in, and don;t want to be bothered with the facts of the matter.
Unease? I was pointing out that I do not think that the context of WikiLeak’s action demonstrates “evil” in any way.I am amazed that a Catholic should show unease with the idea of evil.
There is no intrinsic disorder, maliciousness or evil to what WikiLeaks has done.Would “intrincially disordered” make you feel better?
I always figured they get it from right wing radio and websites and just go on social media for free to make wild claims and twist and turn and distort the obvious facts.I am wondering if there are classes given and people paid to go on social media and make the wild claims like you do that twist and turn and distort the obvious facts.
So you saw the indictments before they were sealed?Just you wait till you see the names revealed of the people who are now in the sealed indictments; you will be shocked to the core.![]()
But Trump has only been in office for one year. There indeed might be 1 or more high profile names, but we can’t be certain until we actually know.I have been studying all of this for the last 14-15 years. I believe there are quite a few high profile names within the sealed indictments.
Do they?They’ve got enough of a track record of being right that I feel safe in believing them for the time being.
Way back in post #18 - go google up the twitter thread.Can you link to something about this, please?
Interesting question. What is the point of this release at all?“For whatever reason”…why would they craft a lie now?
In order to tell the story completely, lest it appear that they are reporting selectively and deceptively.Why should it?
Not at all.You don’t agree that it paints Hillary in a really bad light, and by association, the Dems?
There’s typically little that can be taken out of context in any given e-mail. It either reveals facts, or it doesn’t. I’d still say that I trust them.Do they?
I don’t doubt that they publish actual emails that they have stolen. But more than that is required for being “right”.
As far as I can tell, this new information is a different event than what you’re referring to. I’ll read through it again to see if I’m wrong, though.Way back in post #18 - go google up the twitter thread.
To inform the public of deflection and falsehood. WikiLeaks has no reason to lie.Interesting question. What is the point of this release at all?
Refer to my earlier comment above. I don’t think the two events are the same thing.In order to tell the story completely, lest it appear that they are reporting selectively and deceptively.
There is no way on God’s green earth that the press will ever allow itself to cultivate a docile relationship with Trump. They have mocked him for years, long before he ever even announced he was going to run for President, and they are completely, utterly unfair to him a good 75% of the time, in my estimation. I won’t claim the man is a sterling role model or that he doesn’t do really stupid stuff sometimes, but the lengths to which the press will go to slander and mock and obsess over him is absolutely ridiculous.Not at all.
A politicians would love nothing more than to cultivate a docile press. Trump invests enormous enrerg onto it and thinks, by his own words, that he has them. But that does not leave the press off the hook.
The press would like to balance getting a hard hitting story out with access that allows them to develop a story. The NYT did an interview with Trump on or about New Years Eve. It was widely criticized for its deferential posture, but it did add to what we know about Trump. There is a balance.
In this particular case, the NYT, given what it published, can hardly be seen as docile. That may not be clear to those who don’t remember what was published nearly a decade after the fact. If so, go back and read the original articles.
The NYT interview of Trump by Michael Schmidt evoked considerable discussion because his docile posture before Trump.There is no way on God’s green earth that the press will ever allow itself to cultivate a docile relationship with Trump
Yeah. So? …Here is the email linked in the OP.
It’s clearly a disclosure of their editorial calendar.
It would read very differently if the purpose was just to check names.
This is a shocking statement.There’s typically little that can be taken out of context in any given e-mail. It either reveals facts, or it doesn’t.