Will anyone here give me a big AMEN?

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coyote:
This has too much of a protestant flavor for me.

ABSTAIN

Is this part two of the Truth on a Desert Island thread?
Same agenda or what?
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It is, but I was curious as to where he was going with it.
 
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coyote:
This has too much of a protestant flavor for me.

ABSTAIN

Is this part two of the Truth on a Desert Island thread?
Same agenda or what?
forum.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=104741
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It is part of that thread. That thread left me a little shell shocked. I was curious to see how Catholics would react if I started a thread

Do you agree with me that…

I really didn’t know if that would immediatly set off alarm bells in the mind of a Catholic Apologist.

It seems most wanted to express their agreement with a fundamental Christian truth. A few were uneasy, but none instinctivly rejected agreeing with me out of hand.
 
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Angainor:
It seems most wanted to express their agreement with a fundamental Christian truth. A few were uneasy, but none instinctivly rejected agreeing with me out of hand.
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I dunno – As of a couple of minutes ago the forum said this thread had 248 views, 22 replies, and 22 votes. What is your account of the ~90% of viewers who neither voted nor replied?

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Angainor:
It seems most wanted to express their agreement with a fundamental Christian truth. A few were uneasy, but none instinctivly rejected agreeing with me out of hand.
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What makes you assume that they are agreeing with you? They don’t know what that quote means to you, and you don’t know what that quote means to others.
 
I think this forum is full of lurkers, so for all the lurkers…
Amen!!

As a Catholic I believe 100% in the Bible.

God Bless
Scylla
 
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Angainor:
That was the question. If you agree with me that…
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Gosh, you really are unable to separate your interpretation of the Bible from the Bible itself.

I tell you what, when I can read your mind, or when you explain what it means to you, I’ll let you know if I agree with you.
 
Ha! This question makes you feel like you’re in court. NO elaboration…just answer yes or no please.

Angainor: anwer yes or no only: Scripture is correct when James says “not by faith alone.”

__Yes, we’re not saved by faith alone

__No. The Bible is mistaken

Peace.
John
 
I’ll give you a big AMEN to every single verse in the Bible!! No need to pull out one specifically. I think everyone on this forum would agree.

Now…how various denominations choose to interpret those verses is another story. I do it within the context of 2000 years of Catholic teaching, protected by the guidance of the Holy Spirit as promised by Jesus Christ. I’ll give you a big AMEN to that also!!
 
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DeFide:
Gosh, you really are unable to separate your interpretation of the Bible from the Bible itself.
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I can. I would have no problem giving a big AMEN! to this post no matter who wrote it.

This was a little bit of a test to see if Catholic Apologists could make such a separation. From the [thread=104741]deserted island thread[/thread], I get the impression that the words themselves are utterly meaningless unless attached to an interpretation. The actual words themselves are hollow shells until filled with an interpretation (be it a true or false interpretation).

By saying “If you agree with me that…” I am attaching my interpretation of the verse, thus filling the words meaning.

If I said simply “Does God so love the world…” a Catholic would be free to attach the Pope’s interpretation of the verse, thus filling the words with his meaning. Since I said “If you agree with me that…” a Catholic is restricted from filling the verses with the Pope’s meaning.

Or, at least that was my intention in phrasing it the way I did.
 
john ennis:
Angainor: anwer yes or no only: Scripture is correct when James says “not by faith alone.”
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James 2:14-26 (NIV):
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. 25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
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AMEN!
 
Angainor said:
I can. I would have no problem giving a big AMEN! to this post no matter who wrote it.

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Not true.

For example if Joe Shmo meant this:

For God (a 400 foot giant with a few superpowers who lives on the planet Kolob) so loved (lusted after) the world (earth) that he gave his only Son (a 40 foot giant), so that everyone who believes in him (when he says you must eat chocolate) might not perish but might have eternal life (live on earth forever without dying).

I doubt you’d say, “Amen”. You only affirm the meaning you give to it.
 
As a Catholic it is very easy to say Amen to this since it is directly from the Bible.

What is difficult is the attribution of a meaning other than that held by the original Christian faith. Just like all those people who attack Catholics by taking Catholic quotes out of context, Bible verses can be taken and absolutized to mean other things. That is why some people are suspicious. We are used to people twisting Catholic belief to evil ends, such as the thought that we believe whatever the Pope thinks up, or says.
The Pope doesn’t invent new belief but is one visible sign of unity that we show as the family of God. We don’t believe whatever the Pope says, but do hold to the existance of absolute truth. Or else we can believe whatever we want and truth doesn’t matter.

God Bless
Scylla
 
Jeanette L:
It is, but I was curious as to where he was going with it.
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Yes, but thanks to the infallible teaching authority of the Church we have no doubt what the verse means, so we can assent to it with full conviction, something Wilson couldn’t do, nor can Protestants really (ask a Calvinist and an Arminian what the verse means and you’ll get two very different answers).
 
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DeFide:
Not true.

For example if Joe Shmo meant this:

For God (a 400 foot giant with a few superpowers who lives on the planet Kolob) so loved (lusted after) the world (earth) that he gave his only Son (a 40 foot giant), so that everyone who believes in him (when he says you must eat chocolate) might not perish but might have eternal life (live on earth forever without dying).

I doubt you’d say, “Amen”. You only affirm the meaning you give to it.
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If Joe Shmo told me he interpreted John 3:16 to mean: “For a 400 foot giant with a few superpowers who lives on the planet Kolob so lusted after the earth that he gave his only a 40 foot giant, so that everyone who when he says you must eat chocolate might not perish but might have live on earth forever without dying.” I would tell him he is wrong and wonder if English was his second language, 'cuz it looks like something was lost in translation.
 
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Angainor:
If Joe Shmo told me he interpreted John 3:16 to mean: “For a 400 foot giant with a few superpowers who lives on the planet Kolob so lusted after the earth that he gave his only a 40 foot giant, so that everyone who when he says you must eat chocolate might not perish but might have live on earth forever without dying.” I would tell him he is wrong and wonder if English was his second language, 'cuz it looks like something was lost in translation.
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Which is essentially the same response you must give to your Protestant brethren who disagree with you on any given verse of Scripture.
 
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