Will He Rise Again In Europe Too?

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Will He Rise Again In Europe Too?

Something unexpected is happening in Europe. Signs of a re-awakening of the Christian faith are slowly cropping up. We have been reporting on the phenomenon, in bits and pieces, all year.

We covered the increase in female religious vocations in Italy. We summarized an article in the German magazine Der Spiegel headlined “Religion, Born Again.” The article made its case from a worldwide perspective, but added that “there are signs that faith in God” is growing “even” in the West.
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Any analysis of the growth of Christianity in Europe would have to acknowledge the spiritual leader of Europe for nearly 30 years, Pope John Paul II — and his close friend and successor, Pope Benedict XVI.

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pray! pray! pray!
 
If it get going too much, expect supression from the EU. Secular Relativists do not like the competition. :mad:
 
It would be nice to see revival spark in Europe but is it realistic to expect that? I honestly don’t think it is at this point. I wonder how many missionaries my church has in Europe? 🤷
 
don’t worry about us across the pond, the catholic church has survived much oppression here and will continue to do so,
 
WanderAimlessly said:
If it get going too much, expect supression from the EU. Secular Relativists do not like the competition. :mad:
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The Jews, the Romans, and the communists couldn’t suppress the Church- the secularists will not be able to either- even if they do come close.
 
I am certain Europe wil have revival - during and after persecution. Peolpe may be returning to faith - just maybe - and this could be the first fruits of what is to come. But the new persecution of the homosexual lobbies and miliatnt secularists is already starting. It can’t be stopped now.

As they raise more laws against us we will have more conversions as God intervenes in individual’s lives more directly (it seems He works this way!) This infuriates the persecutors who raise more laws against us and you have a spiral of attack and conversion. Eventually the Christians outnumber the persecuting elite and are able the change the culture of society and the laws change. Recent history shows this.

Alas, we missed the battles of the last 40 years completely and now don’t have any effective voice in culture or society. So we have to change the culture the hard way - through persecution bringing revival.

So I see any signs of revival as confirmation that the persecution has arrived! I think revival and persecution are almost inexorably linked. Look for the rise of the underground Church in the West just as it was in the USSR and China!
 
What persecution?

Or does not doing what you want done count as persecution?
 
Oh boy, that’s a long subject and I’m going ot bed soon.

This website gives darn good commentary on what is happening in the West (and beyond.)

Let me say that a vast range of laws across Europe, Canada and Australia are being passed that efectively make it difficult for one to practice one’s faith, to have faith schools, even to say the you believe your religion is actually true (as opposed to ‘just my personal truth’) without being sued or imprisoned.

These laws have only recently been passed and so the effects have not been fully felt but here’s an example of what is coming…

lifesite.net/ldn/2007/apr/07040408.html
 
Give some examples of legislation that ‘persecutes’ Christians - not “somebody, somewhere in Europe says Christians are not a good thing”.

Not getting your own way does not count as persecution.
 
Kaninchen said:
Give some examples of legislation that ‘persecutes’ Christians - not “somebody, somewhere in Europe says Christians are not a good thing”.

Not getting your own way does not count as persecution.
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I am just not getting into this argument. I’ve seen these kinds of threads before. If you can’t see what’s coming now you won;t see it until people are being led away in handcuffs. There are numerous websites tracking what is happening. I gave you a link to one. Go and read.

Here is another one.

Odds are you won’t be convinced which is fine. you have your opinion and I have mine. I have given my pereception of what is happening and wil happen in Europe - you have yours. If you want to argue with people in regards the possible persecution I suggest another thread.

For the record the full implicatoins of certain legislation the west has not been fully felt yet. This is new stuff. I am talking about the state saying “When you leave the Church your faith stops here.” I am talking about leglisation that forces Christians to act against their conscience. I am talking about (potential) prison time for thought crime.

Here’s a good one:
lifesite.net/ldn/2007/mar/07032203.html
and another
lifesite.net/ldn/2007/mar/07032206.html
which is leading to …
lifesite.net/ldn/2007/apr/07040408.html
(As I say - it’s early days yet.)

That’s my argument. I’m not going to type 1000’s of words defending my opinion here. I haven’t got time. I am also certain nothing I bring to the table would convince you either. One thing I have learnt is that no-one chaanges their mind via onlibe debates ever!
 
Well, I’ll just have to await evidence that there’s persecution of Christians in Europe.

I’m a European (admittedly a European Jewess) but I’ve not seen the slightest evidence of legislation anywhere that would constitute persecution of Christians - unless, as I said, not getting your own way counts as persecution.
 
Fair enough!

We’ll have t agree to differ.Bear in mind, however, I’m saying htat the legislation (ad the ind set behind it) has not yet kicked in fully! The next five years will tell us where we’re going.

If/when we see priests and minsters led away in handcuffs then we’ll know! I’m predicting it myself. You may disagree!

I think, if it’s any ‘consolation’, Jews and Muslims wil also be under thread but they’re not the ‘dish of the day’ right now.
 
Jedinovice said:
If/when we see priests and minsters led away in handcuffs then we’ll know! I’m predicting it myself. You may disagree!
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Oh, I’d say that should people get led away in handcuffs just for being Christians, that would be evidence of persecution. So would legislation to that effect.
I think, if it’s any ‘consolation’, Jews and Muslims wil also be under thread but they’re not the ‘dish of the day’ right now.
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If you believe that Muslims are safer than Christians in Europe, you need to get away from alarmist websites.
 
Kaninchen said:
Oh, I’d say that should people get led away in handcuffs just for being Christians, that would be evidence of persecution. So would legislation to that effect.
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Being arrested for preaching the true IS persecution no matter how you try to spin it. Also, forcing doctors and hospitals with the threat of arrest to perform infantcide (also called abortions) is more laws that are being placed on the books.

We, as Catholic Christians, have a moral obligation to ignore Positive Law that contradicts Natural (God’s) Law.
 
Kaninchen said:
Oh, I’d say that should people get led away in handcuffs just for being Christians, that would be evidence of persecution. So would legislation to that effect.
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Thank you. let’s let it at that and agree to see if it happens, yes?
If you believe that Muslims are safer than Christians in Europe, you need to get away from alarmist websites.
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I’m not saying that. I think Muslims are under attack but in a different way. I think, certainly in the Uk, Christians will be the ones sued.

Anyway, my theory is falsifiable. If I’m right, we see Chrstians in handcuffs - well, certainly in the courts but I do think handcuffs. In regards to alarmist websites well, as I say, let’s agree to differ. and watch the TV as the months and years go by.
 
Oh. BTW. The 20 Century saw more Christians martyred for their beliefs that the past 19 centuries combined. Millions of Christian were murdered in Mexico, Nazi Germany, and Stalinist Soviet Union.
 
WanderAimlessly said:
Being arrested for preaching the true IS persecution no matter how you try to spin it.
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Where are people, in Europe, being persecuted for preaching (unless it’s Imams involved in terrorism)?
Also, forcing doctors and hospitals with the threat of arrest to perform infantcide (also called abortions) is more laws that are being placed on the books.
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Where, in Europe, are doctors threatened with arrest on such grounds? (I don’t think you can arrest a Hospital, by the way)
We, as Catholic Christians, have a moral obligation to ignore Positive Law that contradicts Natural (God’s) Law.
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Where are Catholic Christians being persecuted in Europe?
 
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