Will I go to " hell" for not believing in god

[glendab]

Hello Seraphim.

Who is closer to God, the atheist who is honest and loves their neighbor and does good works or the Christian who preaches a slanderous version of God? It seems to me in this thread we are talking about intellectual assent, saying “yes, I believe in God”, not simply following the law written on our hearts. How can you give intellectual assent when the only imagine of God you’ve ever been given is not only wrong but twisted and blasphemous? Moreover why would God hold someone responsible for failure to give assent based on such faulty information?

You’ve asked an impossible question both calling for a judgment against both hypothetical persons. Only those who have invincible ignorance will get around denying Him before others, for He Himself said that those who deny Him before others He will deny before the Heavenly Father so as for the atheist, he or she has pretty much denied God so the rest will apply at their parting no matter how many good acts they do during their lives. No one gets to Heaven by doing good works. Only the Blood of the Lamb can atone for sins, not good works. You cannot work your way to Heaven.

Glenda

 

[Zipply]

You have not given enough information. Does the atheist also believe, for example, that pornography, maturbation, sleeping with prostitutes, lust, doing drugs, fornication, adultery, cohabitation, are are wrongful practices? If he does not, then he does not love his neighbor, for all of these practices are selfish and objectifying. Nothing loving there.

How perfectly puritan.

 

[Seraphim73]

Hello Seraphim.

You’ve asked an impossible question both calling for a judgment against both hypothetical persons. Only those who have invincible ignorance will get around denying Him before others, for He Himself said that those who deny Him before others He will deny before the Heavenly Father so as for the atheist, he or she has pretty much denied God so the rest will apply at their parting no matter how many good acts they do during their lives. No one gets to Heaven by doing good works. Only the Blood of the Lamb can atone for sins, not good works. You cannot work your way to Heaven.

Glenda

Well it was a hypothetical question. We couldn’t really talk specifics anyway because we don’t know other people’s hearts. But my point is people aren’t really rejecting Christ, they are rejecting the erroneous ideas others have superimposed on Christ. And just for the record we are all going to be judged on what we do.

 

[Seraphim73]

How perfectly puritan.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

 

[glendab]

Hello Seraphim.

Well it was a hypothetical question. We couldn’t really talk specifics anyway because we don’t know other people’s hearts. But my point is people aren’t really rejecting Christ, they are rejecting the erroneous ideas others have superimposed on Christ. And just for the record we are all going to be judged on what we do.

Actually most of the atheists I’ve talked to specifically have real problems with Jesus Christ, His Church and us Christians. Most of them that I’ve known have also been very intelligent and well informed about much including Who Jesus says He is and Who we say He is. Most know Who it is they are rejecting. At least the ones I’ve had conversations about God with and that included my dad the NASA rocket scientist. Some of his arguments against God were pretty thorough so I pretty much know a few of the angels they use. He died wrong about that and please pray for the repose of his soul. If he got what he knew might be coming…yeah. He knew all about Hell and didn’t care.

Glenda

 

[Seraphim73]

Hello Seraphim.

Actually most of the atheists I’ve talked to specifically have real problems with Jesus Christ, His Church and us Christians. Most of them that I’ve known have also been very intelligent and well informed about much including Who Jesus says He is and Who we say He is. Most know Who it is they are rejecting. At least the ones I’ve had conversations about God with and that included my dad the NASA rocket scientist. Some of his arguments against God were pretty thorough so I pretty much know a few of the angels they use. He died wrong about that and please pray for the repose of his soul. If he got what he knew might be coming…yeah. He knew all about Hell and didn’t care.

Glenda

Well in my experience most atheists have some pretty bad misconceptions based on stupid things various Christian groups have taught over the centuries or how they have been treated.

 

[987mk]

If you reject God, He will reject you.

He knew I would reject him, but he created me anyway.

I was created to live a short while on earth, so as to then suffer for eternity in hell.

Sounds exactly what an all loving God would do.

" I am God and although I know this soul I am about to create is going to reject me and will end up in hell for eternity, well I’m just going to create this condemned soul anyway!"

Yep.

 

[987mk]

It is a bit of a misnomer to say God will send you to hell. God gives everyone the invitation to follow him. Those who accept it get to spend eternity with him in his glory, those who decline it get to be separated from him. It is your choice where you spend eternity, God just acknowledges the choice each of us has made.

Good luck with your journey.

Who chooses that our soul exists for eternity, instead of snapping out of existence?

 

[Seraphim73]

He knew I would reject him, but he created me anyway.

I was created to live a short while on earth, so as to then suffer for eternity in hell.

Sounds exactly what an all loving God would do.

" I am God and although I know this soul I am about to create is going to reject me and will end up in hell for eternity, well I’m just going to create this condemned soul anyway!"

Yep.

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[Eternal_One]

How perfectly puritan.

None of these things contain love and none are of God. So I guess if such a person saw no wrong in dehumanizing people, using them for their own gain and no reason to repent of these things…well, I guess that person doesnt love God, nor what He stands for, after all. There’s a place for people who do not wish to be with God, so I guess that answers the OP’s question.

 

[Seraphim73]

None of these things contain love and none are of God. So I guess if such a person saw no wrong in dehumanizing people, using them for their own gain and no reason to repent of these things…well, I guess that person doesnt love God, nor what He stands for, after all. There’s a place for people who do not wish to be with God, so I guess that answers the OP’s question.

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[glendab]

Hello Seraphim.

Well in my experience most atheists have some pretty bad misconceptions based on stupid things various Christian groups have taught over the centuries or how they have been treated.

Is one of the stupid groups the Catholic Church? And can you elaborate on which things that are taught that seem really stupid to you that makes the atheists rebel?

Glenda

 

[glendab]

Hello MK.

He knew I would reject him, but he created me anyway.

I was created to live a short while on earth, so as to then suffer for eternity in hell.

Sounds exactly what an all loving God would do.

" I am God and although I know this soul I am about to create is going to reject me and will end up in hell for eternity, well I’m just going to create this condemned soul anyway!"

Yep.

Yeah. And to top that off He sent His only begotten Son to die for all those fools who reject Him. God loves kinda foolishly that way doesn’t He? Some who reject Him sometimes wise up. You might get the chance. Then again you may get hit by a bus tomorrow. Don’t risk it. Love Jesus and turn you life and will over tonight. Better men than you are have done so for millennia.

Glenda

 

[Seraphim73]

Hello Seraphim.

Is one of the stupid groups the Catholic Church?

Well I wouldn’t post that here if I think it’s true. I try not to be too offensive to my hosts.

And can you elaborate on which things that are taught that seem really stupid to you that makes the atheists rebel?

Glenda

Sure. Some good examples would be the idea that God creates some people just to burn in hell or that God had to sufficiently torture His Son in order to let us off or Pat Robertson saying that Hurricane Katrina and the earthquake in Haiti was God punishing those people or the bigotry some exhibit towards homosexuals.

 

[987mk]

Better men than you are have done so for millennia.

Glenda

You’ve not even met me.

 

[truetofaith]

He knew I would reject him, but he created me anyway.

I was created to live a short while on earth, so as to then suffer for eternity in hell.

Sounds exactly what an all loving God would do.

" I am God and although I know this soul I am about to create is going to reject me and will end up in hell for eternity, well I’m just going to create this condemned soul anyway!"

Yep.

The problem here is : God is all knowing and if He knows what will happen before it happens…it appears that He is causing it to happen.

So, God should not have created the universe because He knew that on earth, the humans He would create, would sin & cause thousands of years of sin, death and Salvation, by Jesus.
For that matter …God should have said, “why bother” and just existed as Father, Son, & Holy Spirit…somewhere in outer space!

 

[987mk]

God should have said, “why bother” and just existed as Father, Son, & Holy Spirit.

If the God of Abraham is in fact real, then it would have been far better for God to have not created man.

If we didn’t exist, there’d be no one suffering for all of eternity in hell and of course, no one raping and killing people on a daily basis.

God would still be perfectly and completely happy and we of course, wouldn’t even know about it.

 

[truetofaith]

If the God of Abraham is in fact real, then it would have been far better for God to have not created man.

If we didn’t exist, there’d be no one suffering for all of eternity in hell and of course, no one raping and killing people on a daily basis.

God would still be perfectly and completely happy and we of course, wouldn’t even know about it.

Better still, He should have never created Lucifer, since he was the one who caused all the trouble to begin with! After creating the earth, God should have stopped with the animals. They weren’t able to sin.

 

[987mk]

Better still, He should have never created Lucifer, since he was the one who caused all the trouble to begin with! After creating the earth, God should have stopped with the animals. They weren’t able to sin.

Very true.

 

[McCartney]

He knew I would reject him, but he created me anyway.

I was created to live a short while on earth, so as to then suffer for eternity in hell.

Sounds exactly what an all loving God would do.

" I am God and although I know this soul I am about to create is going to reject me and will end up in hell for eternity, well I’m just going to create this condemned soul anyway!"

Yep.

Its called free will. God does not interfere with your free will to love and serve Him or reject Him.