Will I go to Hell

[Protestant101]

You are 2 faced you e-mail me and talk nice. You have just proved what I said, attack Rev. put him down by saying 'Your crying like a baby and blame all on some one eles."
Why are you blaming me for the priest not doing their job, Why is it my responsability see that they do their job. You are so concerned about my job and putting me down for doing the job but heaven for bid you say anything about the priests not doing their job. What is so offensive about pointing that out, you sure have no problem pointing things our about me. Is it against you faith to say the truth about what the priests not doing their job where I live. Then you say maybe being a Baptist and ND is just to much for little old rev. Are you that upset that someone pointed out a falt about the priests that you have to attack my religion and make fun of me by calling me little old rev… This is not crying its speaking the truth. I do something that your priests here don’t and I get punished for it. I get put down, called names, by you for doing the work of God. Its all my falt. I can’t believe I’m being told its my falt for the priest not going to he nursing homes. I want you to tell me how its my falt and how I am putting the blame on someone eles. If you don’t do your job is that the falt of someone eles or is it your falt. Who do you blame for your actions.

Hey rev…just remember, three or four years from now all your posts will still be on this board. I have learned from experience, that I have definite weakness and faults when discussing beliefs with people of other faiths, and on this forum, I have learned more by settling down and treating them all as I would wish to be treated. Not everyone reciprocates; but you will be greatly blessed by settling down and keeping discussions less personal and more theological. Exchange ideas, not barbs. :harp: Do you want to play the harp; or shovel coal?

 

[rev_kevin]

Hey rev…just remember, three or four years from now all your posts will still be on this board. I have learned from experience, that I have definite weakness and faults when discussing beliefs with people of other faiths, and on this forum, I have learned more by settling down and treating them all as I would wish to be treated. Not everyone reciprocates; but you will be greatly blessed by settling down and keeping discussions less personal and more theological. Exchange ideas, not barbs. :harp: Do you want to play the harp; or shovel coal?

I know what your saying but I don’t understand why he gets away with calling me names and using @#$*& towards me and I’m the one who is getting repremended or talked to. I know this will be taken as blaming someone eles but look at post 629 where he is saying the things that I discriped above. I never said what he says I’m saying. But advise well taken.

 

[Protestant101]

I know what your saying but I don’t understand why he gets away with calling me names and using @#$*& towards me and I’m the one who is getting repremended or talked to. I know this will be taken as blaming someone eles but look at post 629 where he is saying the things that I discriped above. I never said what he says I’m saying. But advise well taken.

Well, we are on a Catholic forum, and it will be hard to avoid all the transgressions, both on their part, and on our’s. The key to playing either the harp or shovelling the coal will be how we handle or respond to it all. Take the reprimand as a blessing, allowed by God for a reason; and go forth in faith. God will bless every act of faith.

 

[ronin67]

We all have our moments of anger and indiscretion. The whole Protestant vs. Catholic debate is worthless in my opinion. The division is something the devil laughs at. I think, we need to unite and really put our selfish pride aside and try to understand where each other come from. I have a really great aunt who is a very good Catholic (I will say a great Christian/not perfect by any means), but I tried to explain certain viewpoints from the Baptist side as it states in the Holy Bible, yet she refuses to open up and understand where other denominations are coming from. This is my biggest reason why I decided to research and join different denomination churchs (my only guideline was going to and joining churches that preach the truth that is in the bible). I will say that on the Protestant side there is allot of misunderstanding and just plain hatred towards the Catholic Church. So to be fair and impartial, I started studying Catholism and pretty much learned what is preached and presented is the truth of scripture and even though certain things are stressed more then in the Protestant type denominations (veneration of the Holy Mother Mary and the saints, praying for the dead, etc.). Protestants, from the exposure I have had (Lutheran, Baptist, and the United Church of Christ) don’t understand why so much emphasis is put on the above three, but thru further research I can’t see where it says in scripture that it is wrong (Mary is not worshipped as equal to Christ or God, but praised as the most rightous woman who ever walked the face of the earth). I find myself praying to Mother Mary and thanking here for bringing Christ Jesus into the world. To me this seems fitting in every sense. However, I don’t believe I need her or the Saints to intercede for me when bringing my sins in repentatance to God the Father, thru Christ Jesus (that is just my belief and it may not reflect the opinions of others). I also don’t feel it is required to confess to a priest, but from a human stand point I understand how it can be very useful (it does lift the burden quite a bit when you can unload your sins on a human being that gives you immediate verbal interaction).

 So, I believe the unity of scripture exsists in the Catholic church (and yes, I know the Catholic Church gave us the Canon of Holy Scriptures we use today).  Catholism (being the first and one true church) is solely responsible for spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth as commanded by our Savior Jesus Christ, in the early church days.  Then as we all know the reformation stirred things up a bit, but I think it is much deeper then man just being tired of the Catholic church rules and internal corruption that Martin Luther saw.  Things happen for a purpose.  I don't believe for one minute that God would allow the devil to intercede to cause division in the Catholic Church if it wasn't for a good reason.  I think the corruption and evil that man was doing in God's one true church was the reason our Father allowed this to happen, a very eye opening wake up call if you will. I may be wrong (and may God please forgive me if I'm wrong), but I believe this to be the case.  The Catholic church has come to grips with the reformation by Martin Luther and even Pope John Paul II saw the reasons why it happened and recognized the movement as something of importance and recognized the sincerity (not rogue priest just trying to bring power to himself and cause divsion just to CAUSE DIVISION) of Martin Luther in the process.  The same type things have happened (sadly even more extreme) in many cases on the Protestant side (Jim Jones massacre, Waco, and the Seventh Gate etc.).  Protestants denominations that place scripture as the authority, ususally don't deviate in the extreme like the above incidents did.  The bottom line, human pride intercedes and the deviation away from Christ occurs and then it turns into sometime of individual power outside of the loving Grace of God.  The human aspect always separates us from the ultimate truth of God thru Christ. pure love (human beings can never experience the pure love of God, my opinion).  Love knows no pride.  Pride is the big show stopper for many Christians, as we all witnessed in the heated exchange from some in this thread.  Do I get pissed at some Catholics for how there pride binds them, thus not allowing the extention of love to their Protestant brothers and sisters, you bet.  Do I feel the disgust of some denominations on the Protestant side of the house that deviate in the extreme when it comes to the truth of God's devine inspired word (Mormans, Jehovah Witnesses, etc.), you bet.  So do we continue to allow division or do we evangelize as Christ commanded so those lost in the world would know the truth?  Yes, I know we can't turn everyone to Christ as it is accurately written in the Holy Bible, but if we don't at least make an attempt, are we really doing the will of God as commanded thru his son Christ Jesus?

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed

 

[jerm]

Sometimes I get hot tempered and angry. I guess I’ll have to watch myself and watch my temper. After reading this post i think both are at fault. They acted in a non christian manner. For what its worth i see both sides at fault but i have to lean in favor just a little, with this rev kevin guy but both are wrong for their conduct.

 

[jlhargus]

Mark

 

[bridgeforsale]

I wonder if hell will hotter than the Arabian desert?

 

[Bill_Pick]

I,m done with this fight I’m not in high school. If you want to continue with this and try to make me look bad go ahead but I will not respond anymore the such immature actions anymore.

rev I had nothing to do with making you look bad, you did that all by your self

 

[Angel7]

Agreed, the evidence and result do support the Catholic Church being the Original Christian church. However, this point directly was not the question. The question was, will a person (I) go to hell for leaving the one true church? Well, will we go to hell not being a member of the one true Catholic church? I’m willing to bet no will say that or maybe I’m wrong. Answer, those who profess to be Catholic. Others and myself wish to know whether Catholics are willing to give a defineate yes or no answer for this.

Take Care and May God Bless!

Ed

I may be unaccurate, but to my knowledge, I think I have read somewhere that LEAVING the Roman Catholic Church is enough to be grave matter, I guess all you need are the other 2 conditions for mortal sin.

Correct me If I am wrong

 

[Janet1983]

I may be unaccurate, but to my knowledge, I think I have read somewhere that LEAVING the Roman Catholic Church is enough to be grave matter, I guess all you need are the other 2 conditions for mortal sin.

Correct me If I am wrong

In most cases like this sufficient reflection and full consent of the will are a given because the person decides after enough consideration to willfully leave the CC.
Are you telling me now that it is a mortal sin because you classified it as a grievous matter?
(I am just trying to understand and clarify your intentions by repeating what I understand reading your post.)

 

[Angel7]

Well, isn’t leaving The Roman Catholic Church grave matter?

 

[Protestant101]

Well, isn’t leaving The Roman Catholic Church grave matter?

Well, if I may offer a comment/inquiry to this. Many times when someone leaves a church; it is not for doctrinal reasons. How would a person who left for other than doctrinal reasons be classified by the CC?

 

[bpbasilphx]

I very much want to quit the catholic church and become an
Assembly of God member. Am i doomed for hell?

I don’t fit in with the CC, there is no enthusiasm there.

And you think enthusiasm is necessarily more spiritual?

Why?

How does that match the experience of Elijah, with God speaking ONLY in the “still small voice” after tumult, thunder, and earthquake: enthusiasm of nature, if you like.

Or the Psalmist, who sang, "Be still and know that I am God?

 

[elvisman]

Well, if I may offer a comment/inquiry to this. Many times when someone leaves a church; it is not for doctrinal reasons. How would a person who left for other than doctrinal reasons be classified by the CC?

Answer: A lazy person.
Once one knows the fullness of truth - one cannot leave for doctrinal reasons.

 

[Protestant101]

Answer: A lazy person.
Once one knows the fullness of truth - one cannot leave for doctrinal reasons.

IMHO I don’t think thats being fair to them; it happens all the time in all Churches. Sometimes, people are just driven out by those who “know the truth.”

 

[elvisman]

IMHO I don’t think thats being fair to them; it happens all the time in all Churches. Sometimes, people are just driven out by those who “know the truth.”

I have never met a person who left the Catholic Church for Doctrinal reasons. However, I know dozens of people who have left. In my experience - ALL of them left because of the “feel-good” message of having to do nothing, including cooperate with God’s grace to be saved. Every one of them has told me that they left because the Catholic Church requires you to believe this or do that.

Nine of them were my siblings - and not ONE of them knows the Catholic faith they left. This is evident by their total misunderstanding of Catholic doctrine and their anti-Catholic remarks.**
**That’s why I said that **nobody who knows the truth can allow somebody to drive them away from it.

**The only feel good message Jesus and the Apostles preached was about our rewards for those who remain faithful to the end (**Matt. 7:21, ****1 Cor. 9:27, ******Romans 11:22, **Hebrews 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:26-27).
He never promised us that it would be easy on earth - in fact he said the contrary (Matt 5:10-12, Luke 9:23, 10:39, 22:32, John 15:18, 1 Pet. 4:13).

 

[Protestant101]

Nine of them were my siblings - and not ONE of them knows the Catholic faith they left. This is evident by their* total* misunderstanding of Catholic doctrine and their anti-Catholic remarks.

Well; now I understand why your posts have the general intonations that are seen on this forum. That would be a hard lump to take; and if I were in your shoes; I would be very upset about it all.

Some Catholics would have counsel and comfort for you; you should seek it heartily. I have some Catholic books that I think you would find comforting - they don’t have much to do with pointing out faults in non-Catholics, yet I know you would be uplifted by reading/studying the sources of comfort God has provided you through brethren in your Church. One book I am thinking of is called “My Only Friend Is Darkness,” and it focuses on “Living The night Of Faith With St. John of The Cross.” Sometimes, we just need comfort, and not to be right or wrong. I will pray for you; you seem like you need prayer. We all have times in our experience where we need that special testimony when we manifest fuller surrender to God’s penetrating and healing goodness.

May our Savior bless you; and keep you; and make His face to shine upon you. This is my prayer, in Jesus’ name. Amen

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Rev Kevin,

Sorry for the delay in getting back with you - just got back from vacation and our celebratin of our 39th wedding anniversary. Now, on to business…

About “the way” you mentioned. Now Jesus was also called himself “the way” {John 14:6} “I am the way and the truth and the life…”
See Jesus is the “only way” to God the Father. Now as “the way” he is the only path to the Father. By calling themselves “the way” could mean that Jesus is the “true church” because the “only way” to the Father is through Him. They were identifying themselves with Jesus by calling themselves “the way” because Jesus is the “only way” to the Father not one single church. It doesn’t say, "The Catholic church or any single church is the way the truth and the life no one can come to the Father except through the Catholic church or any single church. So they understood that Jesus is the “only way” and by calling themselves “the way” they were telling others that Jesus is the “only way.” Just belonging to a certain church does not give you the way to the Father it can’t do anything like that only Jesus can.

We can speculate all day long on why they called themselves, The Way - and your idea sounds good to me… but… that is not the issue we were discussing. There is no recorded name in Scriptures for followers of Christ except “The Way”… until we hear from Antioch they were calling themselves Christians! And then before 125AD (ah, but this is non-Scriptural) they are called Catholic.

This can get tossed around for a while…but, when the dust settles, we can all agree that they weren’t called Lutheran, Calvinists, Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalian, Congregationalists - all with different doctrines. These religions - are really the religions of men - some even bearing their names to distinguish them from other men - and to distinguish them all from the first Christians. This original group traces its origins to Christ, Who founded His Church on Peter (this was in the verses of Matthew that were well explained but you decided to dismiss) and his successor - the current one being Benedict XVI.

Matthew has some other interesting items in his Gospel - men claiming to be following Christ are repudiated by God and cast into Hell. Merely saying, “Lord, Lord!” falls short of the goal - and those who fail that test are promised eternal damnation. So, in answer to the question of the thread: Yes, indeed, you will go to Hell if you knowingly and willfully reject Christ and the Church He founded on Peter…and cling to the church founded by a man. To my way of thinking, this pretty well sums it up.

God bless

 

[rev_kevin]

Hi, Rev Kevin,

Sorry for the delay in getting back with you - just got back from vacation and our celebratin of our 39th wedding anniversary. Now, on to business…

We can speculate all day long on why they called themselves, The Way - and your idea sounds good to me… but… that is not the issue we were discussing. There is no recorded name in Scriptures for followers of Christ except “The Way”… until we hear from Antioch they were calling themselves Christians! And then before 125AD (ah, but this is non-Scriptural) they are called Catholic.

This can get tossed around for a while…but, when the dust settles, we can all agree that they weren’t called Lutheran, Calvinists, Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalian, Congregationalists - all with different doctrines. These religions - are really the religions of men - some even bearing their names to distinguish them from other men - and to distinguish them all from the first Christians. This original group traces its origins to Christ, Who founded His Church on Peter (this was in the verses of Matthew that were well explained but you decided to dismiss) and his successor - the current one being Benedict XVI.

Matthew has some other interesting items in his Gospel - men claiming to be following Christ are repudiated by God and cast into Hell. Merely saying, “Lord, Lord!” falls short of the goal - and those who fail that test are promised eternal damnation. So, in answer to the question of the thread: Yes, indeed, you will go to Hell if you knowingly and willfully reject Christ and the Church He founded on Peter…and cling to the church founded by a man. To my way of thinking, this pretty well sums it up.

God bless

Not a problem. I hope all went well on your vacation and you and Misses’ 39th, congradulations.
Ya know I have not been on this site in a while. And to be honest with you I had forgotten all about our discussion. I will have to look back at the posts and see where we were. I’m not trying to avoid you but I need to refresh my mind on our discussion.
Once again congradulation to you and your wife.

 

[rev_kevin]

Not a problem. I hope all went well on your vacation and you and Misses’ 39th, congradulations.
Ya know I have not been on this site in a while. And to be honest with you I had forgotten all about our discussion. I will have to look back at the posts and see where we were. I’m not trying to avoid you but I need to refresh my mind on our discussion.
Once again congradulation to you and your wife.

tqualey
Sorry about the in a while thing, it seem like it but after looking back, it hasn’t been that long ago. As you can see I have been having problems with someone here and I decided to get out of this due to the problem.