Will my dog be in Heaven?

[ConstantLearner]

I think some breeds will and some won’t.

Oh, dear!

 

[rose321]

The decision, is, of course, God’s.

Respectfully Fully agree with, decision is God’s alone.

What does our Heavenly Father within>> His Spoken Word, have to say about His Animals He has created?

Listing a few
Genesis 1:25-26 > We should not dimminish His Creation, should we? Nor HIS appreciation for All His Creation? Commanded, > Col 1:16, romans 11:36, Heb. 2:10, Gen 2:15, Hib 41:11, Psalm 50:10-11
Gen3:1-7, Humans error here, not animals?
Lev 16:1-34> Innocent Animals?
Gen 6:19> Noah Ark>Our Heavenly Father seeks to save His animals?
Gen7:9 > He draws His animals to the Ark, does He not?
1:King 17:46 > God Communicates with His animals?> Elijah< God calls His ravens to bring Elijah food?
Jonah 4:11, 4:21-27> God’s concerns for His Animals saves his people and many animals also?
Psalms 104:14 > Feeds His Animals, pleasure in watching them grow, nature take care of His Animals, is this not true?
Psalm 104:31-34,18:30 >All God created > He over sees their interaction, pleasure?
Job 38:39-41, 39:6, 40:19-41:10 > He uses animals as example >>point humanity to Him, does he not?
Job 12:7 " But ask the birds and they will teach you the birds of the Heaven, they will tell you"
Psalm 148, 150:6. 104, Animals bring glory and praise to God, do they? All that is Breath praise the Lord. not just in words, maybe?
Psalm 150" 6 " Let everything that has breath praise the Lord"
2 Samuel 6:21
Numbers 22;21-33> Donkey saw the angel of the Lord in Baalm?
Job 39:13 > " ostrich flapping its wings, joyously"?
Job 40:20 " Beast of the field playing in their surrounding"?
Psalms 24:1 " The earth is the Lord and all it contains"?
Psalm 145:9 " The Lord is good to all and his mercy is over all that he has made"
Proverbs 12:30 " Whoever is righteous has regards for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel"
Isaiah 66:3 " Whoever slaughters an ox is like one who kills a human being…"
Isaiah I:11, 11:6-9, 65:25
Jeremiah 8:7
Ephesians 1:10 " As plan for the fullness of time, to gather up all things in him. things in heaven and things on earth"
Jeremiah 31:31-34, Lambs lay down with the sheep?
Numbers 22:28-30
Ecc. 3:18-21
Proverbs 6:6-8 >Go to an ant for wisdom
Romans 8: 11- 21-22, Matthew 10:29, 1 Timothy 5:28
Corintheans 15:44 " It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. It there is a natural body, there is also a Spiritual
Body"

Many Biblical Verses on His Relationship with His Animals. HE Communicates with his animals, Saves > His Animals give Him Good Pleasure, He voices His concerns, Provides for His Animals and uses His Animals to point>Humanity to Him.

Matthew 6:26 " Look at the birds of the air, they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, yet your Heavenly Father feeds them are you not more value then they?" Not that he does not value all his creation, but pointing out He cares and provides for All?

Rev. “every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the Sea all that is in them saying. To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be Blessings and honor and glory and might forever”.

Believe they will. Peace

 

[rose321]

Nobody knows if there will be animals… or our pets… in heaven…

Respectfully opinion look within His Spoken Word, maybe? Way to many Biblical verses even to list them all, where He speaks about His Animals, does he not? Below listed just a view in ones >>other opinion reply. Peace

 

[Peebo]

ose32133m Peebo
Peebo:
Nobody knows if there will be animals… or our pets… in heaven…

Respectfully opinion look with His Spoken Word to many Biblical verses even to list them all, where He speaks about His Animals, maybe? Below listed just a view in ones other opinion. Peace

Yes…I don’t disagree with you…I was answering the negative comments by some who seemed to be emphatic that they knew there wouldn’t be animals in heaven…I also said we don’t know if we’ll see our loved ones in heaven…or even if we’ll be there…that’s up to God…but yes I agree with you

 

[rosary_warrior]

I thinks so, God created them and they can’t sin! They don’t have free will, so why wouldn’t they be there?

 

[PaulOne]

The human soul is conscious and has a personal incarnation. The Animal has a group soul. Many of these questions cannot be directly answered in Catholicism and that is where esoteric thinking takes over. St Francis preached to animals, birds . I think that in-itself pretty much says, YES, animals have a soul .
My advice is to learn from the many religions. Christ came here to uphold the laws that were written before Christianity. After Christ’s death something was changed but not all the old wisdom teaching prior were lost. Think Magi. The Magi transfered the ancient laws to the new Christ in the flesh and those were the laws that HE came to uphold. The Hermetic Laws for one.

 

[Benadam]

am sure its within Gods power to resurrect moggy if that would make our joy complete.

Ouch! BlackFriar, you have to say it some other way. Sounds like you’re saying it’s possible that in God we aren’t complete

 

[Techno2000]

I’ve read some private revelations from the Virgin Mary where she said that there are secrets about Heaven.She said she couldn’t reveal them because they wouldn’t be secrets any more.What might these secrets be about ?

 

[Benadam]

Please forgive me for posting this speculative vision.of the New Heavens and the New Earth.

I don’t think heaven is a place for animals. I also don’t believe the New Earth is necessarily immortal in of it’self, or that the nature of animals would change at all on the new earth. God made them perfect and after the fall they remained perfect. What is there to change about the animals? All that changes is man. Man is restored in Christ’s Holy Life and is properly ordered to be earth’s ‘newness’ and material extension of a New Heaven. Natural life on earth would be very much the same and very much different.

There isn’t much to say about earth and the life it produces because as the Church teaches it didn’t lose it’s natural perfection. It suffers separation from God because in us earth is united to heaven. Earth is naturally hostile to a humanity that abandons it’s proper place and no longer a good steward.

Restored as a good and loving steward, earth and the life it produces naturally receives and returns love. Animals wouldn’t fear humans or be hostile in any way. The holy image and likeness of God would be visible to them and they naturally would respond accordingly.

It would be as if Adam and Eve had actually populated the earth and ended their life assumed body and soul into divine life followed by all their children. Humans would then be the Perfected Steward of the earth

The community of Saints In heaven are everyone’s grandparents and great great great…etc parents, uncles, aunts, and elder siblings, perhaps even younger siblings who reached their final perfection in leaps and bounds.

All friends and family in heaven could appear bodily on earth when it’s good in their will that is perfectly united to God and His eternal wisdom. Earth for us would truly be a loving womb that provides a maternal environment that forms and completes our image in a likeness prepared to enter eternal life. Earthly life for man then would be a true childhood from natural beginning to natural end.

With our relationship to heaven restored animals enjoy their perfection in God too. In man is their natural end and reason to be. All natural life is found in man. Adam could name the animals because he knew them fully. We would find them in ourselves as well.

Because earth is populated by a grateful human race endowed with their original preternatural powers, and holiness in Christ, creation no longer yearns, groans or waits… All life enjoys the New Earth God intended for them from the beginning…

 

[Techno2000]

Please forgive me for posting this speculative vision.of the New Heavens and the New Earth.

I don’t think heaven is a place for animals. I also don’t believe the New Earth is necessarily immortal in of it’self, or that the nature of animals would change at all on the new earth. God made them perfect and after the fall they remained perfect. What is there to change about the animals? All that changes is man. Man is restored in Christ’s Holy Life and is properly ordered to be earth’s ‘newness’ and material extension of a New Heaven. Natural life on earth would be very much the same and very much different.

There isn’t much to say about earth and the life it produces because as the Church teaches it didn’t lose it’s natural perfection. It suffers separation from God because in us earth is united to heaven. Earth is naturally hostile to a humanity that abandons it’s proper place and no longer a good steward.

Restored as a good and loving steward, earth and the life it produces naturally receives and returns love. Animals wouldn’t fear humans or be hostile in any way. The holy image and likeness of God would be visible to them and they naturally would respond accordingly.

It would be as if Adam and Eve had actually populated the earth and ended their life assumed body and soul into divine life followed by all their children. Humans would then be the Perfected Steward of the earth

The community of Saints In heaven are everyone’s grandparents and great great great…etc parents, uncles, aunts, and elder siblings, perhaps even younger siblings who reached their final perfection in leaps and bounds.

All friends and family in heaven could appear bodily on earth when it’s good in their will that is perfectly united to God and His eternal wisdom. Earth for us would truly be a loving womb that provides a maternal environment that forms and completes our image in a likeness prepared to enter eternal life. Earthly life for man then would be a true childhood from natural beginning to natural end.

With our relationship to heaven restored animals enjoy their perfection in God too. In man is their natural end and reason to be. All natural life is found in man. Adam could name the animals because he knew them fully. We would find them in ourselves as well.

Because earth is populated by a grateful human race endowed with their original preternatural powers, and holiness in Christ, creation no longer yearns, groans or waits… All life enjoys the earth God intended for them.

The New Heaven and The New Earth… is Jesus Christ.

 

[Benadam]

I agree. Is there something I wrote that violates that truth?

 

[Techno2000]

I agree. Is there something I wrote that violates that truth?

No, not really.

 

[Benadam]

I’m glad. I always appreciate a critique from someone who knows our faith. Thank you Techno. If you find something incompatible I really do find it an act of mercy to let me know.

 

[BlackFriar]

BlackFriar:

am sure its within Gods power to resurrect moggy if that would make our joy complete.

Ouch! BlackFriar, you have to say it some other way. Sounds like you’re saying it’s possible that in God we aren’t complete

Not sure how you got that from me given my original take:

Will my dog be in Heaven? Apologetics

If you cannot be fully happy without them then they must be there. If you are there and they are not then it means you can be perfectly happy without them. That is the definition of heaven.

 

[Benadam]

Not sure how you got that from me given my original take:

sorry, sarcasm often goes right over my head.

 

[BlackFriar]

???
Given there was none intended that is as it should be .

 

[Benadam]

Well then you did suggest that God might not complete our joy in heaven. That not being your position of the subject…uumm???

 

[steido01]

Haven’t read the thread, probably won’t. Perhaps this will be useful to someone.

Plenty of theologians have argued animals will be in heaven, though they may not be the same creatures we’ve come to know and care for. After all, in Christian theology, this world is fallen because of Man’s sin, and we’ve done gone ruined life even for the beasts. Yet the promised, real, physical New Heaven and New Earth –the Promised Land of promised lands– must have the necessary creatures to make milk and honey flow, so some animals must be there.

C.S. Lewis took this idea even further; he posited that not just any animals, but our animals would be there. He toyed with the idea that animals could actually be saved by humans, in a way not dissimilar to how humans are saved by Christ.

Lewis writes his theory into lively prose in The Great Divorce. If you haven’t read it, you should. I’ve purchased three copies now; they have a tendency to be permanently borrowed by friends. Anyway, it follows the story of a man who’s guided Dante’s Inferno-style through a vision of the afterlife. In Chapter 12 (p. 118-120 in the 2000 Harper Collins reprinting), the man encounters a woman so beautiful and holy that the narrator assumes she’s the Blessed Virgin (spoiler: she’s not). Yet she’s accompanied by a huge caravan of angels, people — and animals:

Narrator: Some kind of procession was approaching us, and the light came from the persons who composed it. First came bright Spirits… Then, on the left and right, at each side of the forest avenue, came youthful shapes, boys upon one hand and girls upon the other. Between them went musicians: and after these a lady in whose honour all this was being done…[H]ullo! What are all these animals? A cat - two cats - dozens of cats. And all those dogs … why, I can’t count them. And the birds. And the horses.
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Guide: They are her beasts.
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Narrator: Did she keep a sort of zoo? I mean, this is a bit too much.
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Guide: Every beast and bird that came near her had its place in her love. In her they became themselves. And now the abundance of life she has in Christ from the Father flows over into them… It is like when you throw a stone into a pool, and concentric waves spread further and further. Who knows where it will end? Redeemed humanity is still young, it has hardly come to its full strength. But already there is joy enough in the little finger of a great saint such as yonder lady to waken all the dead things of the universe into life.

 

[steido01]

Lewis’s idea is a sweet one, and there are plenty of places where Scripture could infer that pets join us in heaven. All of Scripture is, more or less, a series of stories, analogies and metaphors for Christ’s redemption of humanity. The Christian can see redemption echo in his own relationships, society in general, etc. – why shouldn’t we also see this in echoed in the natural world? Nowhere does Lewis’s idea lose sight of the One from Whom all redemption ultimately flows: Christ. So it makes some logical sense. But logic is no substitute for Holy Scripture, which neither explicitly confirms nor denies whether our animals can be saved, so Lewis’s sweet idea remains just that.

Lewis was hardly the only one to connect the natural world to the sacred. St. Francis of Assissi is one that many Christians recognize as a caretaker of God’s creatures. About 300 years later, there was another big dog lover. Martin Luther talked a lot about his dog, Tölpel. So much so, that his students wrote down some of his thoughts at the dinner table. On prayer:

Oh, if I could only pray the way this dog watches the meat! All his thoughts are concentrated on the little morsel. Otherwise he has no thought, wish, or hope.

And when the pup barked for lack of attention during a conversation on Heaven:

Be thou comforted, little dog. Thou, too, in Resurrection shall have a little golden tail.

And that’s the best gift our pets give us: a heavenly demonstration in total trust, selfless love, and boundless joy. May we all be so blessed as we strive to serve our own Master.

 

[BlackFriar]

Well then you did suggest that God might not complete our joy in heaven.

You seem caught up with trivialities.

I am not aware of having stated any such thing - in fact I implied the very opposite.

“If you cannot be fully happy without them then they must be there.”

If pets are needed to make our joy complete in heaven then God will certainly provide them.

I really don’t know what you are on about.